BC, what have you done???? NDP is gonna take you down, big time

[rzrgade]

I think this is much bigger than oil or gas or energy or green vrs sustainability...
Etc etc .
This is a culture change , a philosophy so different than the average hard working Canadian is used to .
We are seeing it here in Alberta .
We are having it forced on us federally.
We are being told what we can and can not do . Where we can go . What we can do for fun . What religion is acceptable , what cultural values we should embrace ...
The economy is the strongest tool to make people conform....
And we are seeing an all out assault on our way of life and freedom we used to take for granted .
This is a global movement ,and all of the prosperous countries are under attack in some shape or form....
We are in the middle of difficult changing times ..
Indeed .

 

[Stompin Tom]

I think this is much bigger than oil or gas or energy or green vrs sustainability...
Etc etc .
This is a culture change , a philosophy so different than the average hard working Canadian is used to .
We are seeing it here in Alberta .
We are having it forced on us federally.
We are being told what we can and can not do . Where we can go . What we can do for fun . What religion is acceptable , what cultural values we should embrace ...
The economy is the strongest tool to make people conform....
And we are seeing an all out assault on our way of life and freedom we used to take for granted .
This is a global movement ,and all of the prosperous countries are under attack in some shape or form....
We are in the middle of difficult changing times ..
Indeed .

What we are seeing is the transition from a time when the best leaders came from business where they learned how to run a company. Now people go to school to learn how to get elected and how to be a politician. We are being lead by those who have never worked for a living. Trudeau? A couple of years as a substitute school teacher, Horgan after he got out of school went strait to a political job. Neither have ever gotten their hands dirty, went to work, ran a business, but now they think they can run the biggest business of all?

 

[rzrgade]

Yes , and it's a page out of the Clinton / Obama democrat era...
Make people poor ...
Real poor ..
Make jobs hard to find ..
Make the spread between poor people & rich people appear vast .
Tell the poor people , it's not there fault ...
It's the rich people , they got all the money ..
Tell them it's not their fault , they are poor ...
It's just that the rich people pay no taxes ...
If they did .. there would be plenty of cash to go around !
Follow this and create enough " poor " people and you will never loose an election...
Or at least that's what Hillary thought she could get away with ...
Has she ever been poor ?
Has JT ever had to borrow a dime ..
What do these people know about poor people , other than to make more people poor & keep it that way ...

 

[Summitric]

apparently Alberta had an all time high Summer electricity useage and borrowed power from Saskatchewan and the States yesterday... caused by the NDP shutting down coal fired power plants and attempting to start wind farms, and a shortage of Alberta made electricity. I believe the NDP's plan is to buy power in the future from BC's site C power dam project, so we're all hoping its going through.

 

[X-it]

Site C dam is grinding to a hault as we speak. Engineers gone, layoffs are happening. They are doing another assessment. How are those Bird Slicers working out for you???haha. Just think this is as efficient as the get wore out in 10years. Oh and by the way we were at the maximum limit of our power 2 winters back...who needs Site C dam.....it is too green for the greenies.

 

[ZRrrr]

I was back reading your fondness for the NDP prior to them getting elected in Alberta .
How did that work out ....lol

Still laughing that you actually spent the time going back to find something to throw at me. I have no problem owning my actions. Like I said, I'm a pragmatic person. I don't and never will play partisan politics. I dislike them all equally.

What I will always do is exercise my right to vote. I spend considerable time looking into the issues, looking at platforms, past history, listening to the thoughts and opinions of many people. I attend public forums I look at who these politicians are associated with and what that could mean. Use multiple sources for my information, not just those the reinforce my bias. My great friends and neighbours get together for drinks and we have respectful debates about politics. We all listen to each others thoughts and opinions and form our own. Sometimes my opinions will change. I vote on what I consider to be the best choice at the time, that will benefit ALL of society....not just me, myself and I.

When I see a political debate, I try to bring some balance, some truth to the discussion.

Can you say the same!?

Your vitriol toward the NDP is almost dangerous. Perhaps you need to change your name to rzrhate or ragergade.

 

[X-it]

I was for NDP 30 years back, Those other guys were just for big business. Then the NDP got in. My god all they are for is Big Government, big debt, welfare and minimum wage jobs. None of it sustainable, in their drunken sailor spending modes. Then look at all the pain it causes, trying to get all the useless government employees out of their redundant jobs.

 

[LID]

apparently Alberta had an all time high Summer electricity useage and borrowed power from Saskatchewan and the States yesterday... caused by the NDP shutting down coal fired power plants and attempting to start wind farms, and a shortage of Alberta made electricity. I believe the NDP's plan is to buy power in the future from BC's site C power dam project, so we're all hoping its going through.

I didn't think plants were shut down till 2018-2020 or so? Are some shut already?

 

[Summitric]

This article in the news this morning:


'Dithering' by B.C., Ottawa helped kill Pacific NorthWest LNG, energy CEO says....


The CEO of one of Canada's biggest natural gas producers says "government dithering" played a role in the cancellation of a massive liquefied natural gas project in British Columbia.

"They [Petronas] kept getting held up … all levels of government were trying to squeeze more money out of them," said Mike Rose, head of Tourmaline, among the largest gas producers in Western Canada.
Tourmaline was among a slew of shale gas producers in B.C. and Alberta that stood to benefit from gas export through liquefaction. "We're disappointed," Rose said.
Malaysia's Petronas cancelled its $11.4-billion Pacific NorthWest plant on Tuesday, citing lower prices in recent years in export markets in Asia. But Rose said a "more effective, streamlined approval process," would have seen Petronas make a final investment decision on the project three years ago, when prices were much higher.


Other big producers in the region, including Seven Generations, were reluctant to comment on the Petronas decision.
Canadian natural gas has traditionally been locked within the continental network of North American pipelines. But liquefaction allows gas to be transported around the world by tanker, and fetch a higher price.
The Petronas project was conceived when gas prices in Asia were significantly higher. They have fallen in recent years.
[h=2]Only 2 large projects on the books[/h]Five years ago, there were more than a dozen LNG projects proposed for the B.C. coast. Now, only two large plans remain, one spearheaded by Royal Dutch Shell, the other by Chevron. Both have been delayed and their futures remain uncertain.
Pacific NorthWest had been considered the project most likely to proceed. But it suffered federal government delays, including additional time granted to the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency to review the project.
As well, the B.C. government announced a special LNG tax at seven per cent of net income in 2014. Later it cut that figure to 3.5 per cent after capital costs were recovered.
Analysts say many Canadian gas producers are now pinning their hopes on LNG development in the U.S., where one export plant is already up and running in Louisiana, and another is slated to begin shipping from Maryland by year-end.
"I think U.S. LNG is an opportunity for Canadian producers," said Martin King, director of institutional research, GMP FirstEnergy. But relative to building plants on the B.C. coast, he described that opportunity as "thin and distant."
Despite that, Canadian producers are looking south. Seven Generations confirmed it is already shipping as much as 100 million cubic feet per day to the U.S. Gulf Coast, where the Sabine Pass project has been in operation for more than a year.
Seven Generations spokesperson Alan Boras said the company has been shipping product into that market since late last year. "Any time there is an increase in sales opportunities, that is a good thing for the North American market."

In the longer run, U.S. plants are expected to help lift continental gas prices broadly.
"Between greater gas exports going to Mexico from the U.S., the greater pull of LNG out of the U.S. and just general improvement of the market next year, I think all these factors come together to improve the overall price of natural gas and that will feed back to a better price of natural gas in Canada," King said.
By the end of the year he expects LNG exports to reach as much a three billion cubic feet, approaching five per cent of total U.S. supply.
King predicts an average 2018 natural gas price, at the benchmark Henry Hub, of $3.75 US per 1,000 cubic feet. That price is currently hovering around $3 US.

 

[rzrgade]

Still laughing that you actually spent the time going back to find something to throw at me. I have no problem owning my actions. Like I said, I'm a pragmatic person. I don't and never will play partisan politics. I dislike them all equally.

What I will always do is exercise my right to vote. I spend considerable time looking into the issues, looking at platforms, past history, listening to the thoughts and opinions of many people. I attend public forums I look at who these politicians are associated with and what that could mean. Use multiple sources for my information, not just those the reinforce my bias. My great friends and neighbours get together for drinks and we have respectful debates about politics. We all listen to each others thoughts and opinions and form our own. Sometimes my opinions will change. I vote on what I consider to be the best choice at the time, that will benefit ALL of society....not just me, myself and I.

When I see a political debate, I try to bring some balance, some truth to the discussion.

Can you say the same!?

Your vitriol toward the NDP is almost dangerous. Perhaps you need to change your name to rzrhate or ragergade.

You are right , I hate the NDP ....
You never did answer my question though on what you think of the job they have done so far ?

For some one who claims to be so well informed and politically enlightened ,
I thought you would at least answer the obvious question ?
Rather than deflecting the the topic at me ....
Mind you if I had promoted how great a political change would be ,and then realize how much of a mistake it turned out to be...
I would try be hesitant to face up to it too....
Cheers

 

[X-it]

I was hoping the NDP could give out permits to pick up all the dead ducks and geese on their bird slicer farms they have built and are building. Maybe knothead can spend a few million posting warning signs for the birds.

 

[X-it]

Christy Clark resigned today, If they mothball site C dam, we can look forward to lots of lawsuits ...good news for the lawyers I guess. And I believe NDP/Green are stupid enough to do it. Tweetle dee and Tweetle Dumb hard at work. Kudos to Christy Clark for having the balls so to speak to even get this project of the ground in this day and age. Not a chance Tweedle dee or dumb could even make a project like this happen.


https://rebeccarosepoems.wordpress.com/2012/05/13/tweedle-dum-and-tweedle-dee/

 

[ZRrrr]

You are right , I hate the NDP ....
You never did answer my question though on what you think of the job they have done so far ?

For some one who claims to be so well informed and politically enlightened ,
I thought you would at least answer the obvious question ?
Rather than deflecting the the topic at me ....
Mind you if I had promoted how great a political change would be ,and then realize how much of a mistake it turned out to be...
I would try be hesitant to face up to it too....
Cheers

Like I said....dislike them all equally. They are all nothing but liars, thieves and corporate shills. Still, I had to make a decision. Nothing there yet for me to get upset about, to the point of hatred. For another 2 years I watch, listen and learn, then get to make a decision again.

I'm out. Weathers hot, drinks are cold...............

 

[rzrgade]

No there are some good politicians, and some bad ones ... most likely a bunch in the middle ...
I think painting them all with the same brush is simply wrong ....

I am at loss when people say this , then debate politics..
If they are all bad & and the same ...
why waste the time to vote ?

Personally I think we have had a few wonderful politicians in Canada , and I am proud to say they did a frickin good job !

But that is my opinion.

 

[Scrambled]

Here is my problem with the Island. Other than tourism they have no industry. Tourism is for the most part a low paying industry, but they want to live high on the hog. As a group they want, want, want, but they have not explained to us how they plan on paying for it. Its a great place to live, a wonderful climate and very pretty, but that doesnt put bread on the table. So hey, lets vote in the Greenies, they like to live in pretty places to, they will feed us what we want and keep on keeping on. Lets let the rest of the province pay the bills, but hey, while were at it, lets shut down site c although pretty much nobody on the island has been anywhere close to the region its being built, nor do they consider the extra hydro they need for their grow ops.

Actually the island has a fair amount of industry but it more of a retirement place, mostly moving here from Alberta and Saskatchewan,they come for the weather,there is the lower wages but like the Okanogan it's a sunshine tax,no shortage of work here if you wanna work,know one I no are against site c, usually the butchers around here are cheap crabby old folk and they tend to vote liberal,as far as is always wanting handouts your on glue,the liberals did f all around here,anyways keep putting us down,I've been all over Western Canada and there's very few places to live as nice as this place.

 

[rzrgade]

I don't think any one is putting you down specifically, or any one in particular . But the fact is , that it is a green / NDP stronghold .
And in terms of costs to Live there .... well of course it costs more . If it's that nice ,demand will drive prices up accordingly.

Stands to reason .

 

[S.W.A.T.]

You might want to get out of your cocoon. I support site C and the vast majority in this region support it. You dont build a power generation station to meed demands now, you build one to meet the demands of the future. In case you have not noticed, the world is going more and more electrical and less and less oil driven. You knock BC for being way behind on LNG, then you knock them for trying to be ahead of the curve with hydro generation. Bit of a hypocrite if I do say so myself.

Majority of our hydro facilities are currently running less then 50% capacity, because I don't know you I live in a cacoon? And no once again I am yet to meet someone who does support it. If you and others that you know do that's fine, could really care less, it's your opinion. I'm not really sure what made me a hypocrite in any of my previous statement.

Perhaps your just a little soft skinned and because we don't agree on something you need to resort to name calling to prove some sort of point. But hey again it's your opinion and your entitled to it.

In my opinion I do not support site C

 

[X-it]

Educate yourself. 2019-2020 we will be exceeding our maximum production


http://debarel.com/BSB_Library/2010_BCgeneratingSystem.pdf

 

[S.W.A.T.]

Must be why Bennett, Revelstoke and Mica dams are only using 3 of 6 turbines,

 

[rzrgade]

God forbid you sell the extra power & and make some money ...