Why 2 snowmobile Federations in BC??

[OOC ZigZag]

That's a good thing! I said earlier if the BCSF would pay more attention to the clubs needs and not soo much to "office duties" everyone would be better off.


The Canadian Congress is a good thing; a national organization for sledders. It is a place to send a provincial rep to touch base with all the provincial reps but to send 6 (or was it 8 people that the BCSF sent?) is somewhat of, in my eyes, a poor decision and an expensive decision. I don't think they are still doing that but those kinds of decisions were what forced the break away to gather steam.

A good grass roots organization is needed, one that speaks and listens to the grass root members and the clubs.

Like I said to Modman we need to get everyone in Western Canada under one organization. Pool the resources from all the clubs not money people resources. Then start to use the assosiations numbers to generate results.:d

 

[ferniesnow]

So, does the Canadian Congress let both federations represent BC?

That's a good question. I don't know the answer just now. Maybe I can check or if Curtis chimes in, he might know.

 

[ferniesnow]

When the government is looking into provincial issue Ex. Caribou do they look at BCSF or ABC for direction? Is the BCSF the reconized rep for snowmobilers in BC?
Seems that the province would be better represented by 1 group.

Now the BIG QUESTION. What would be needed to mix them together?? Sit down talk or a referee? Gun fight or just a good bar fight?? Just kidding

Well the ABC started by various directors trying within the BCSF to make changes and got voted down or maybe "run out of dodge"! They had good intentions but rattled a few feathers (maybe not enough BrewHouse) and maybe tempers flared. The disgruntled directors left and started ABC Snow. I don't think there would ever be a union, so to speak.

It is my understanding that the government goes to the BCSF but that got side tracked with the position the BCSF took with regards to the "off road coalition". That is what has been set in place to set up a process for registration, licensing, and insuring ORV's so that BC is sort of like the rest of the country.

As I said earlier.........only in BC

 

[Sledderglen]

Maybe the ABC president will comment or the BCSF president

 

[frock]

I had never heard of ABC before this thread. I buy my trail passes through Pine Valley Trailblazers and it's always had BCSF on the paperwork.

Checked out the ABC website and looks pretty good, but it sure seems like a huge waste of our political voice when they are split into 2.

Is ABC the way to go or the BCSF?

 

[Summitric]

maybe the abc president will comment or the bcsf president

glen, you could find out who they are? And invite them to this forum and thread?? Lotsa interest in this.....

 

[ferniesnow]

Where did Thumper-Darryl's post go? That had very valuable and informative information in it?

 

[shan]

Where did Thumper-Darryl's post go? That had very valuable and informative information in it?

snowandmud lost a lot of posts yesterday when doing the site upgrade, which resulted in going to a backup.

 

[Pistonbroke]

All Hail Comrade Thundercheeks! Gonna go all commie on you for two minutes...


When I first started riding in BC, I too wondered "why can't BC get their act together as a province? Why can't I buy a BC pass that covers all associated riding areas since I like to ride all over the place?"

This comes from my prairie roots. For many years, I bought a SNOMAN pass that is good for every inch of trail in Manitoba. I think back then it was $60/year, and I see they haven't announced their 2010/2011 prices yet. The 2009/2010 price was $105 for pre-season purchase, $135 after Dec 15 I believe.

Snowman Inc. Def

On the funding side of the coin, each individual club ran their own grooming program, owned the equipment, paid for fuel, etc. A decent portion of each snoman pass that was sold went back to the club that sold it to help run the groomers, buy marker signs, and all other running expenses. The biggest, most active clubs therefore got most of the money - makes sense!

Still to this day, I wonder why this couldn't work in BC! I am sure there are volumes of back stories, politics, and reasoning on the subject.

Just a couple of cents from this 'ol farm boy.

 

[ferniesnow]

All Hail Comrade Thundercheeks! Gonna go all commie on you for two minutes...


When I first started riding in BC, I too wondered "why can't BC get their act together as a province? Why can't I buy a BC pass that covers all associated riding areas since I like to ride all over the place?"

This comes from my prairie roots. For many years, I bought a SNOMAN pass that is good for every inch of trail in Manitoba. I think back then it was $60/year, and I see they haven't announced their 2010/2011 prices yet. The 2009/2010 price was $105 for pre-season purchase, $135 after Dec 15 I believe.

Snowman Inc. Def

On the funding side of the coin, each individual club ran their own grooming program, owned the equipment, paid for fuel, etc. A decent portion of each snoman pass that was sold went back to the club that sold it to help run the groomers, buy marker signs, and all other running expenses. The biggest, most active clubs therefore got most of the money - makes sense!

Still to this day, I wonder why this couldn't work in BC! I am sure there are volumes of back stories, politics, and reasoning on the subject.

Just a couple of cents from this 'ol farm boy.

But this is BC and it ain't easy my wise Chief!

The question I ask, what does someone from out of province going to Manitoba pay for a day, a week, etc.? Do they buy this "pass" from the area they are riding in and where are they available?

Everyone else makes it work, should work here, eh!

 

[Pistonbroke]

But this is BC and it ain't easy my wise Chief!

The question I ask, what does someone from out of province going to Manitoba pay for a day, a week, etc.? Do they buy this "pass" from the area they are riding in and where are they available?

Everyone else makes it work, should work here, eh!

Out of province folks could get a 7-day pass for $60 I think. The passes are available all over the place - accesability to get a pass is not a problem! You can get them from all public insurance offices (nearly every town has one), clubs, dealers, participating small-town restaurants etc.

 

[bbtoys]

That's a good question. I don't know the answer just now. Maybe I can check or if Curtis chimes in, he might know.

no they do not

 

[OOC ZigZag]

We are missing a few posts on this one, Just as the ball started rolling. Please everyone think about this it could help our sport greatly to join all of the Western Canadian riders under 1 banner. Again thanks to the ASA pres for stepping up and having the right attitude.:d

 

[muffin]

about all this , it is getting very costly if you ride Revy one day , sicamous the next then loop around down to Fernie , even when one is a BC SF member , My guess is that each club, i choose revy for the last several years , wants my business, so to speak exclusively that dont sound right , the way i wrote it or the fact

 

[OOC ZigZag]

Out of province folks could get a 7-day pass for $60 I think. The passes are available all over the place - accesability to get a pass is not a problem! You can get them from all public insurance offices (nearly every town has one), clubs, dealers, participating small-town restaurants etc.

Chief Thundercheeks of the Deep Powder Nations words are wise.:d

 

[Sledderglen]

This thread has been hijacked a bit from why 2 snowmobile association at the start now a provincial trail pass discussion.

If all is said about why 2 associations then carry on with Provincial Trail Pass if you want

 

[Pistonbroke]

This thread has been hijacked a bit from why 2 snowmobile association at the start now a provincial trail pass discussion.

If all is said about why 2 associations then carry on with Provincial Trail Pass if you want

I think everything is on topic here - it's all about organizational unity in BC!

:d:d

 

[OOC ZigZag]

I think everything is on topic here - it's all about organizational unity in BC!

:d:d

No one is off topic here. Simply tyring to unite sledders under one banner so we can benefit from the numbers. Benefits like insurance, lobbying power, buying power ect.:d

 

[moyiesledhead]

Everyone has their own opinion/experience/preference with the two Provincial organizations. I have my own preference based on a number of experiences, but I'm not sure this forum is really the place to be airing our dirty laundry. I will say this though....for the good of our sport the bickering has got to stop! I know a number of people that are not joining any club because of it, and I'm now considering dropping one of my own club memberships because of internal squabbles over this very issue. There's no room for two Provincial bodies & it's going to destroy our sport if it continues. It's time for both sides to swallow their pride and get us back united as one voice before it's too late!

 

[Erin H]

Half of Houston would probably like to join the ABC...

As long as it were a "no Homers club" if you get my drift.

Interesting comment.
Seems you have no idea what you are talking about as both the Houston and Burns Lake club have a good relationship and share a cabin together and are strong BCSF supporters.

Are you a member of either club? Should I have the Exec of either club phone you to discuss?

Regards,
Erin Hart
BCSF - Vice-President