what's up with Arctic Cat... outlook doesn't look great?

[kanedog]

Just think of all the money they will save by closing down the head office and laying 60 people off. Probably going to put the savings towards a new 950 turbo!

https://snoriderswest.com/article/s...c_cat_new_head_office_in_downtown_minneapolis

They are making the company more efficient. Having a huge corporate building in the city, far away from the factory is dumb. How can the bean counters, engineers and big wigs know what’s going on when they are not on site? This is one factor in why Cat was failing b4.
Nobodies getting laid off, just transferred. Unless they are dead weight.

 

[lilduke]

Their completely upside down in the the deep red. They have been for years. Having to drop their pants at a fire sale price selling themselves to a soulless corperation was the last thing they wanted to do. They had no choice. (loosing complete control over their future) They where literally drowning and Textron threw them a life line. You're drunk to think otherwise!!

Yeah they were going bankrupt when Textron bought them. I think Textron was more interested in the SxS's than the sleds.

Who knows they might keep the factory and convert it to tank production or some other military chit.

 

[lilduke]

Nobodies getting laid off, just transferred. Unless they are dead weight.

thats what they tell the local news paper, but if you go look into it people have already been layed off.

 

[kanedog]

Their completely upside down in the the deep red. They have been for years. Having to drop their pants at a fire sale price selling themselves to a soulless corperation was the last thing they wanted to do. They had no choice. (loosing complete control over their future) They where literally drowning and Textron threw them a life line. You're drunk to think otherwise!!

Textron signing to supply Cabelas and Bass pro is something other manufacturers never even dreamed of......they just surpassed all the other Utv/Atv makers combined in square footage of showroom floor space. For free!!!! Who does that? How many Cabelas and Bass pro shops in the world? A lot. The old cat was floundering under incompetent mgmt....all who were fired deserve it, big time. Especially the way they treated Michelle Knadle(free agent) on SW who is the queen of product knowledge and selling parts ...but Textron is in for the win. Brp is too late in the game by buying up some boat manufacturers.

 

[kanedog]

thats what they tell the local news paper, but if you go look into it people have already been layed off.

Just the dead weight. Produce and produce quality or be fired. Easy peasy. The good ones will be hired back and employees may be put where they will thrive on their skills.
I mean look at me, I was working for five minutes and I got canned.

 

[lilduke]

Just the dead weight. Produce and produce quality or be fired. Easy peasy. The good ones will be hired back and employees may be put where they will thrive on their skills.

That could help. Look into all the Cat dealers that are closing down. Would you really want to buy a sled from Bass Pro?

Maybe they will get their chit together and stay in the sled game? But its looking bad at the moment.

 

[jpmez69]

Just the dead weight. Produce and produce quality or be fired. Easy peasy. The good ones will be hired back and employees may be put where they will thrive on their skills.
I mean look at me, I was working for five minutes and I got canned.

You quit you quitter!

 

[kanedog]

That could help. Look into all the Cat dealers that are closing down. Would you really want to buy a sled from Bass Pro?

Maybe they will get their chit together and stay in the sled game though? But its looking bad at the moment.

Heehee, no sleds at Bass pro. It’s the side x side and/or Atv market. I never thought of buying sleds at Bass pro. But heck, all the ammo and guns are out of stock so they got room! I too am hoping the sled division gets some attention. We might have to wait for the wheeled vehicles to get sorted out and bump Brp and Polaris out of the top spots tho.

 

[snopro]

ha! and after the 24,001 it is still relevant, maybe don't take it so personal.

so Ken looks like you have some sort of burr under your saddle? like to say what is causing you so much pain? you were sore saying my vote in Red deer was going o cancel your vote in Milo! sorry not going to happen! , now your taking offence to a mundane comment on BRP. care to say what is truly bothering you so much? Stress, Trudy, $$$, must be something?

No burr Larry. You vote for Bernier. And you keep stating that BRP is funded by the government. I'll let the forum judge you on those 2 comments. Lol. And for gawd sakes, slow down on the day drinking.

 

[Joholio]

definitely a lot of shady chit going on down in Quebec.

one of the most corrupt places in the developed world.

Those ****er make me embarrassed to run a French last name daily

 

[jpmez69]

They are making the company more efficient. Having a huge corporate building in the city, far away from the factory is dumb. How can the bean counters, engineers and big wigs know what’s going on when they are not on site? This is one factor in why Cat was failing b4.
Nobodies getting laid off, just transferred. Unless they are dead weight.

The irony with cat is laughable... For BRP to become the #1 producer of recreational products in the entire universe as we all know today, They HAD to break away from mother Bombardier in order to gain independent thinking and free will to pursue what products they wanted to produce in a competitive marketplace. Their engineers and management teams were being stifled at every turn to what they could do or not do under Bombardier. They never had the flexibility in a changing market. It was the best decision they ever made. Once they gained their independence It was sink or swim. Their motivation and passion in the industry is what made them what they are today.

Moving on to Arctic cat... They HAD independence and freedom but through poor management and a product line that nobody wanted they slowly bled out over time. Simply put they failed in a free market. Now they have their overlord Textron pulling the Arctic cat strings like a puppet in some bumbling (sic) display. For many cat employees that stayed on it is now the beginning of the end for their independence. Their engineers won't be able to make a rivit change on a sled without checking in with the 15 managers above them making them non competitive. The Textron wallet will give them a budget that will be woefully too small as each rec divisions fights over the crumbs. Textron will (pay attention now snowchuk) SUBSIDIZE the Arctic cat division just as an other toy in their sandbox.

 

[snochuk]

The irony with cat is laughable... For BRP to become the #1 producer of recreational products in the entire universe as we all know today, They HAD to break away from mother Bombardier in order to gain independent thinking and free will to pursue what products they wanted to produce in a competitive marketplace. Their engineers and management teams were being stifled at every turn to what they could do or not do under Bombardier. They never had the flexibility in a changing market. It was the best decision they ever made. Once they gained their independence It was sink or swim. Their motivation and passion in the industry is what made them what they are today.

Moving on to Arctic cat... They HAD independence and freedom but through poor management and a product line that nobody wanted they slowly bled out over time. Simply put they failed in a free market. Now they had their overlord Textron pulling the Arctic cat strings like a puppet in some bumbling (sic) display. For many cat employees that stayed on it is now the beginning of the end for their independence. Their engineers won't be able to make a rivit change on a sled without checking in with the 15 managers above them making them non competive. The Textron wallet will give them a budget that will be woefully too small as each rec divisions fights over the crumbs. Textron will (pay attention now snowchuk) SUBSIDIZE the Arctic cat division just as an other toy in their sandbox.

This may very well happen except (now pay attention 69er) the subsidy will differ in that it does not come from taxpayers but actual company funds.

lol

 

[imdoo'n]

Just the dead weight. Produce and produce quality or be fired. Easy peasy. The good ones will be hired back and employees may be put where they will thrive on their skills.
I mean look at me, I was working for five minutes and I got canned.

with huge severance package and production bonuses. sweet deal !

 

[imdoo'n]

No burr Larry. You vote for Bernier. And you keep stating that BRP is funded by the government. I'll let the forum judge you on those 2 comments. Lol. And for gawd sakes, slow down on the day drinking.

ok , whatever, u still haven't explained how my vote will cancel yours yet? judge away i think it is still a free country.

 

[jpmez69]

This may very well happen except (now pay attention 69er) the subsidy will differ in that it does not come from taxpayers but actual company funds.

lol

Textron in their existence have been subsidized directly and indirectly from the U.S government mostly of military contracts. You can't develope weapons on love alone. U.S tax payer flip the bill on Military R & D every day for many contractors including Textron.

 

[imdoo'n]

seems like the recreation vehicle industry is a tough area to be floating your boat these days. huge fight with enviro activists, government regs, economy, customers fickle demands, profitability, etc. it's an uphill battle all the way, with very little room for error, we may see less diversity as time marches forward, with focus on which areas that produce profits, similar to what we are seeing in the automotive field. likely with more influence from the enviro sector, times are changing my friends, for the better or worse!

for us it may be in 45 days.

 

[snochuk]

Textron in their existence have been subsidized directly and indirectly from the U.S government mostly of military contracts. You can't develope weapons on love alone. U.S tax payer flip the bill on Military R & D every day for many contractors including Textron.

See you did not pay attention, kind of knew this would be an issue, so because it is you I will try one more time.

Textron was paid by the govt for providing services - "contracts" as you described = company profits for services rendered.

The other guys get money cause they extended their hand for no service rendered.

Big difference.

Whew that was tough.....lol!

 

[Caper11]

Buying a Cat UTV or ATV from the bass pro shop is like buying a husky chainsaw from Crappy tire. Whats next? Cat being sold at Costco?? Lol

 

[imdoo'n]

No burr Larry. You vote for Bernier. And you keep stating that BRP is funded by the government. I'll let the forum judge you on those 2 comments. Lol. And for gawd sakes, slow down on the day drinking.

so after a quick search

federally Bombardier has been on the government funded feed trough since a 35 million hand out in 1966, we may never know the exact figure,as they have had the courts suppress the info? but it looks like at 1.1 billion so far, less the 233 million hand out to bombardier in 2009 as BRP split off in 2003. https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/bombardier-and-canadas-corporate-welfare-trap
there is also all the provincial handouts over the years there Ken,

so judge away, lol.

 

[Rene G]

Those ****er make me embarrassed to run a French last name daily

My feelings exactly