Sled deck on 1/2 ton?

[Halon60]

Where do I begin...

A. F150's are not 3/4 ton trucks.
B. GCWR and GVWR are not the same thing. GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) is the max weight on the trucks 2 axles, GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) is the max weight on the truck and trailer.
C. GCWR has no affect on in the bed payload capacity, this is solely based on GVWR. Payload capacity is GVWR minus the empty weight of the vehicle.
D. Gear ratio doesn't affect GVWR.
E. GVWR on an F150 ranges from 7600lbs to 7850lbs

Honestly your dealer should have known better as they lost a sale. If you aren't intending to pull a trailer with a service truck any gear ratio will be fine.

I agree with everything you wrote. Except “D”. Gear ratio ABSOLUTELY affects GVWR.

 

[X-Treme3x]

Where do I begin...

A. F150's are not 3/4 ton trucks.
B. GCWR and GVWR are not the same thing. GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) is the max weight on the trucks 2 axles, GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) is the max weight on the truck and trailer.
C. GCWR has no affect on in the bed payload capacity, this is solely based on GVWR. Payload capacity is GVWR minus the empty weight of the vehicle.
D. Gear ratio doesn't affect GVWR.
E. GVWR on an F150 ranges from 7600lbs to 7850lbs

Honestly your dealer should have known better as they lost a sale. If you aren't intending to pull a trailer with a service truck any gear ratio will be fine.

I’m almost certain my F-150 door sticker tells me GVWR is 3198kg (7035lbs)

 

[Caper11]

Where do I begin...

A. F150's are not 3/4 ton trucks.
B. GCWR and GVWR are not the same thing. GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) is the max weight on the trucks 2 axles, GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) is the max weight on the truck and trailer.
C. GCWR has no affect on in the bed payload capacity, this is solely based on GVWR. Payload capacity is GVWR minus the empty weight of the vehicle.
D. Gear ratio doesn't affect GVWR.
E. GVWR on an F150 ranges from 7600lbs to 7850lbs

Honestly your dealer should have known better as they lost a sale. If you aren't intending to pull a trailer with a service truck any gear ratio will be fine.

Really? Try again. Its the way ford specs their trucks.. do some research, read the specs in the link I provided, and understand what your reading. Im not explaining it.
Yes axle and engine choices with a ford affect the GVWR.

Just by selecting the max tow package on the f-150 the ratio went from 3.31 to 3.55.

 

[52weekbreak]

I agree with everything you wrote. Except “D”. Gear ratio ABSOLUTELY affects GVWR.

I have enjoyed this thread as it has morphed from serious questions with serious answers to hilarious responses and opinions (well I thought so anyway). I do not have a dog in this fight as I have a one ton but no deck. If I need to haul more than one sled, I have a two place trailer which I pull. I don't have room for riding gear for more than three people in the cab so I can carry as much as I need to.

I am thinking gearing would only affect how effectively you are moving the load around and does not affect springs, hubs, axles, brakes etc. How does changing gear ratio affect the ability to carry weight? Just curious.

 

[X-Treme3x]

Really? Try again. Its the way ford specs their trucks.. do some research, read the specs in the link I provided, and understand what your reading. Im not explaining it.
Yes axle and engine choices with a ford affect the GVWR.
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Just by selecting the max tow package on the f-150 the ratio went from 3.31 to 3.55.

Yes I have the 3.31 as I opted out not to have the max tow package as I cannot see why you would want to tow 11-12k behind a half ton.

 

[Halon60]

I have enjoyed this thread as it has morphed from serious questions with serious answers to hilarious responses and opinions (well I thought so anyway). I do not have a dog in this fight as I have a one ton but no deck. If I need to haul more than one sled, I have a two place trailer which I pull. I don't have room for riding gear for more than three people in the cab so I can carry as much as I need to.

I am thinking gearing would only affect how effectively you are moving the load around and does not affect springs, hubs, axles, brakes etc. How does changing gear ratio affect the ability to carry weight? Just curious.

Gearing does not only affect how you move the load but with the GAWR (Gross Axle Weight Rating) getting a 4.10 gear ratio over a 3.73 gear ratio raises the overall GVWR of that vehicle. Because you can effectively put more weight on the axles.

 

[ABMax24]

Really? Try again. Its the way ford specs their trucks.. do some research, read the specs in the link I provided, and understand what your reading. Im not explaining it.
Yes axle and engine choices with a ford affect the GVWR.
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Just by selecting the max tow package on the f-150 the ratio went from 3.31 to 3.55.

2 identical trucks with the only difference being 2 different gear ratios will have the same payload capacity. Change packages and yes payload capacity changes. But then we aren't comparing apples to apples.

 

[ABMax24]

Gearing does not only affect how you move the load but with the GAWR (Gross Axle Weight Rating) getting a 4.10 gear ratio over a 3.73 gear ratio raises the overall GVWR of that vehicle. Because you can effectively put more weight on the axles.

No...

 

[S.W.A.T.]

No...

What he said, gear ratio does not change axle weight. For probably changes the gvwr based on effectiveness and what damage will be done to the drive train

 

[tex78]

I have enjoyed this thread as it has morphed from serious questions with serious answers to hilarious responses and opinions (well I thought so anyway). I do not have a dog in this fight as I have a one ton but no deck. If I need to haul more than one sled, I have a two place trailer which I pull. I don't have room for riding gear for more than three people in the cab so I can carry as much as I need to.

I am thinking gearing would only affect how effectively you are moving the load around and does not affect springs, hubs, axles, brakes etc. How does changing gear ratio affect the ability to carry weight? Just curious.

Often the lower geared ( bigger ratio) has bigger axle asmb, thus more rear and possibly front axle capacity


Good example, a 8.5 3.42 ratio 1/2 ton diff

And a 9.5 3.73 ratio axle

Bigger body, tubes, axles, brakes

So more capacity

 

[S.W.A.T.]

If your going to do it anyways why ask the question?

 

[Halon60]

If your going to do it anyways why ask the question?

My thoughts exactly. But it’s easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission.

 

[S.W.A.T.]

I can drive to Vancouver using my knees but don't make it a good idea.

Like I said if you are going to do it anyways why ask. You might get stopped you might not. Might get in a wreck you might not. I do know one thing if you cause a wreck and it involves me and my family I'm going to have a much easier time prooving you were over weight then you will have proving you were under.

 

[Steve D]

Duh, that's why I'd only use one strap to hold the sleds in place so that I have a good chance of at least one of them flying into the ravine below! Can't prooove nothing if you can't find it after the fact!




There are no flaws in this plan. I'm a stable genius.

 

[Dawizman]

If this guy can haul a camper, why can't an f150 haul a double meesley sleds?

 

[FernieHawk]

Fack me!!!!

I like the straps going through the cab

 

[PonyboyCurtis]

Hahaha! Look AT that CAMPER! They sure don`t make them like that anymore. It would be cool to know what was hauling that bad boy back in the day!

 

[Halon60]

Hahaha! Look AT that CAMPER! They sure don`t make them like that anymore. It would be cool to know what was hauling that bad boy back in the day!

Probably a 70’s Ford. Didn’t they have a truck called a Camper Special and had a 10 foot box

 

[TroutHawk]

Looks like a Ford Ranger to me....

 

[Pistonbroke]

If this guy can haul a camper, why can't an f150 haul a three meesley sleds?//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180117/ec8b892aa9454d21c92358e7bc735b0d.jpg

The new standard is three, no less, on the all-capable F-150. That guy and that pic is gonna be fawkin' legend around here...LOL