Britain sets deadline to ban diesel, gas cars

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SO, SHOULD WE ALL BE PREPARING TO GET RID OF OUR GAS OR DIESEL POWERED VEHICLES, BEFORE SELFIEBOY DECLARES THE SAME AND WERE STUCK WITH HIGH PRICED VEHICLES WORTH NOTHING? BECAUSE YOU KNOW SELFIEBOY DOESN'T WANT TO GET BEAT BY ANY COUNTRY FOR GREENIENESS? THOUGHTS?



Britain will ban the sale of new cars and vans using diesel and gasoline starting in 2040 as part of a sweeping plan to tackle air pollution that experts say is feasible, if ambitious.The government announcement follows similar moves in France and Norway and comes amid a global debate on how quickly electric and hybrid cars can replace internal combustion engines. Traditional engines running on diesel and gasoline are still popular with consumers as they’re relatively cheap and do not face some limits of electric cars, such as a limited range.
But with the technology for electric and hybrid cars improving, governments are trying to set long-term goals to help guide the investments of automakers and, ultimately, consumers’ choices.
Britain’s government said it would put up 255 million pounds ($326 million) to help local communities address diesel pollution. The measures are part of a clean air strategy that authorities published only days before a deadline mandated by the High Court. The money is part of a 3 billion pound effort to clean up the air.
The government plan includes the consideration of a targeted scrappage scheme for drivers who need support and to provide an incentive to switch vehicles. It also aims for “almost every car and van on the road to be a zero emission vehicle by 2050,” the government said in its overview of the program.
Frederik Dahlmann, an assistant professor of global energy at Warwick Business School, described the plans as “ambitious but realistic.”
“I am confident enough that the industry will be able to respond within that timeline,” he said.
It would, however, require significant investment in in the infrastructure, such as a network of charging stations, that is required to make electric and hybrid vehicles more widely popular. Another point of focus is improving batteries so that they last longer.
While carmaker Volvo has committed to switching to only selling electric and hybrid cars within two years, most major manufacturers say that traditional engines will remain an important part of their sales for years.
On Wednesday, Daimler CEO Dieter Zetsche said that diesel engines can help lower overall carbon dioxide emissions because they emit less than gasoline cars. Environmental activists note, however, that diesels emit more nitrogen oxide, which is harmful for people’s health.
So far, growth in electric and hybrid vehicle sales has been strong, but from a low base.
Analytics company IHS Markit estimate that sales of internal combustion engines are expected to fall from 17 million vehicles in 2015 across the EU to about 12 million in 2025, which would still make up a significant portion of cars on the road.
Meanwhile, sales of electric and hybrid cars are expected to increase from about 350,000 in 2015 to 1.85 million by 2025.
 

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These f..king politicians are dreaming. Countries will not be able to pay for all the changes needed.
 

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This is coming here and people want it.
Also evident in conversations with others.
This world and way of thinking puzzles me. Everyone wants their lifestyle and electronic gadgets but they dint care where the resources come from to build it.

IMO youll see a ban in unnecessary engines first before it hits cars and trucks.
By unnecessary engines I mean sleds, quads, boats, RV's. etc.

I dont think I'll see it in my lifetime but my kids possibly will.
 
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Be interesting how they get around the whole ag sector argument? Don't think Prius power is gonna pull a super B load of durum to market. Lots of forward thinkers out there that look at there tiny cocoon they live in and don't understand the big picture.
 

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Ken, I was talking to my colleague in the UK about this new ban and he said that they did a poll in the UK with 72% of those asked were in favour of the ban. Apparently, there is a new "underground" industry starting to make huge advancements in commercial vehicles / tractors etc based on electric power. It will be interesting to watch over the next 20 years to see what comes out to replace the current power sources.

Be interesting how they get around the whole ag sector argument? Don't think Prius power is gonna pull a super B load of durum to market. Lots of forward thinkers out there that look at there tiny cocoon they live in and don't understand the big picture.
 

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This is coming here and people want it.
Also evident in conversations with others.
This world and way of thinking puzzles me. Everyone wants their lifestyle and electronic gadgets but they dint care where the resources come from to build it.

IMO youll see a ban in unnecessary engines first before it hits cars and trucks.
By unnecessary engines I mean sleds, quads, boats, RV's. etc.

I dont think I'll see it in my lifetime but my kids possibly will.
i saw a utube vid of a high performance ktm dirt bike it's performance looked incredible both from power and handling point of view the biggest downfall was the running time that was less than 40 min. As far as rec vehicles I do not think it is not impossible going to other propulsion methods I think the sled would be the most changeling. I am not sure I agree with with that type of equipment will be retired before fossil fuel cars do to the low ratio of sleds, and what not compared to cars and the fact that these sports are not growing. Families are getting smaller and the average age of riders keeps going up.
 

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I am rooting for Ru@C2N to get her done. DaveB article on how much CO2 it takes to make the batteries for these vehicles in a Swedish study
 
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Personally I think rail will begin to replace trucks on the road. 15 years ago here our rail line south to the mainline was in poor shape because it couldn't be justified to fix it due to low usage, now we have rail spurs being built all over the place. Of course many of these are Oil and Gas related facilities, but it wouldn't be hard to have things like groceries come up on a daily service. Then the next logical step being switching the trains over to electric.

As for generation of this power I'm a big fan of Nuclear, too bad not many others are.
 

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Not sure that CN trains are electric yet, diesel electric yes.

Most of Europe is heavily populated, so in urban areas where the EV shines it's not such a bad idea. European cars and even transport trucks are typically much smaller then ours. It is my understanding and someone here might have more insight but most frieght in Europe is moved by train or boat
 

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Not sure that CN trains are electric yet, diesel electric yes.

Most of Europe is heavily populated, so in urban areas where the EV shines it's not such a bad idea. European cars and even transport trucks are typically much smaller then ours. It is my understanding and someone here might have more insight but most frieght in Europe is moved by train or boat

Exactly my point, why couldn't we have electric trains here too?

Or even in the short term LNG powered trains, pull a car or 2 of LNG, reduce emissions, cut fuel costs in half.
 
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