Enbridge's Line 5 and Michigan Governor

[ferniesnow]

I'm guessing, she thinks she has Biden's ear and without a lot of thought or political astuteness, she wants to shut this pipeline down by May of 2021. I just listened to the Mayor of Sarnia talking and this is absolutely absurd. The people who depend on the work, IMHO, are secondary to the people who need the product. Not to mention oil and gas but also the propane and aviation fuel for heating, transportation, and all the other things that are spin off. According to the Mayor, Pearson International Airport relies on this pipeline for all their jet fuel.

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[ABMax24]

That's fine, shut it down. When the lights go out and the heat shuts off in parts of Ontario and Quebec maybe it will finally be realized why we need pipelines.

 

[pfi572]

Wouldn’t it be a great idea to have a Canadian line to the East coast and not have to worry about the US ??
So ridiculous it’s even hard to comprehend.
Quebec doesn’t want so not happening!!! Just want the benefits that a P/L produces ?

 

[SUMMIT TREE]

Wexit. We are never going to convince these people

 

[SamStorm]

Hows that old saying go?..."Let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark." More true now than ever.

 

[Bogger]

What some of these politicians don't understand is that many of the refineries in Indiana, Kentucky and Ohio are built to refine bitumen not West Texas. These refineries supply eastern US airports with fuel, homes with heating oil and heavy industry with power, shut down the line and now heavy crude is still needed but needs to come in via rail, ship & truck.... they don't understand how important our supply is and figure if it gets turned off they can just source elsewhere.... not the case.

 

[Mike270412]

I'm 100% behind this! Shut it down! We don't need no stinkin pipelines!

 

[Cdnfireman]

What some of these politicians don't understand is that many of the refineries in Indiana, Kentucky and Ohio are built to refine bitumen not West Texas. These refineries supply eastern US airports with fuel, homes with heating oil and heavy industry with power, shut down the line and now heavy crude is still needed but needs to come in via rail, ship & truck.... they don't understand how important our supply is and figure if it gets turned off they can just source elsewhere.... not the case.

Exactly!

 

[Cyle]

Great news. Either strike a deal for it to be ok and KXL back or finally get pipelines built in this country, or let the eastern bastards freeze and they get their wish of no pipelines. I see no downside to this at all.

 

[papajake]

they will all just get their unicorn run generators to heat and run their cars let the fuc7ers freeze in the dark that might be the only way they will wakeup and quit electing a stupid libtard government

 

[Summitric]

Y'all do know that western crude is shipped via train everyday to a refinery just outside montreal?

 

[NoBrakes!]

which refinery?

 

[Mountainman52]

y'all do know that western crude is shipped via train everyday to a refinery just outside montreal?

most all of the oil into quebec comes from saudi ..........

 

[Summitric]

[h=1]Guess where Quebec gets its oil[/h]By Carl Meyer | News, Energy, Politics | November 13th 2018

This graphic shows how the supply of oil to Quebec's refineries changed between 2012 and 2017, following the reversal in flow of the Line 9 pipeline. The eastern end of Line 9 is also shown in Montreal. Graphic by National Observer/Carl Meyer

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[FONT=&quot]The supply of oil going to Quebec refineries has undergone a dramatic transformation in less than six years.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]While the province got most of its oil from overseas in 2012, the situation had flipped by 2017, with most of the supply now coming from North American producers. On top of that, Western Canada is now the Central Canadian province's top source of crude.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The shift away from overseas imports is partly due to a 2015 reversal in the direction oil is delivered through Enbridge’s Line 9 pipeline, according to a new analysis by the National Bank of Canada. The analysis, first reported by Radio-Canada, also attributed the shift to increased production of U.S. shale oil.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The new numbers provide a reality check for some industry advocates who have incorrectly argued that Quebec is importing crude from Saudi Arabia instead of supporting and buying oil from the Canadian industry.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Line 9 pipeline has become a critical link for oilsands giant Suncor, which owns the Montreal Refinery near the pipeline's eastern terminal on the Island of Montreal. Line 9 connects with the system that brings crude oil east from Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and North Dakota to Sarnia in southern Ontario.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]From Sarnia, Line 9 now brings that oil east to Montreal, where it can be accessed by Suncor's refinery, which is processing on average 24,300 barrels per day of diluted bitumen, also known as dilbit, an oilsands product.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Enbridge's Line 9 reversal provides Suncor the flexibility to supply the Montreal refinery with a full slate of inland-priced crude, enhancing the long-term competitiveness of the refinery,” said Nicole Fisher, the company's senior advisor for media relations and issues management, in emailed answers to National Observer questions.[/FONT]

A woman pumps gas into her car at a gas station in downtown Ottawa on Nov. 8, 2018. Photo by Alex Tétreault
[h=2]'Much larger than it was five years ago'[/h][FONT=&quot]National Bank used data from Statistics Canada as well as the Institut de la statistique du Québec to show that Quebec’s supply of crude oil from Western Canada ballooned from less than one per cent in 2012 to 44 per cent in 2017. Some of this Western Canadian crude, according to Suncor, comes from the oilsands in Alberta.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“We know for sure that the amount coming from Canada is much larger than it was five years ago," National Bank senior economist Marc Pinsonneault said in an interview with National Observer. "We think it’s a very reasonable estimate of what is going on.”[/FONT]

“We know for sure that the amount coming from Canada is much larger than it was five years ago," National Bank senior economist Marc Pinsonneault said in an interview with @NatObserver reporter @ottawacarl #cdnpoli #abpoli #oilsands #EnergyEast​

[FONT=&quot]Five years ago, 92 per cent of oil supplied to Quebec’s refineries was imported, mostly from Kazakhstan, Angola and Algeria, according to the analysis by Pinsonneault and chief economist and strategist Stéfane Marion. Last year, they said, 82 per cent was sourced from North America.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Line 9 reversal is actually a re-reversal. It originally flowed in the same direction it is now, east, between 1976 and 1997. It was then reversed to flow west, after market dynamics made it more profitable to bring in imported crude. Enbridge applied in 2012 to reverse it back east again, to meet demand from shippers that wanted to deliver crude oil to Quebec.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Land defenders protested the Line 9B pipeline reversal near Sarnia, saying First Nations along the route weren't properly consulted.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But with the support of Montreal's former mayor, Denis Coderre, who pushed for more stringent oversight, the National Energy Board (NEB) — the federal pipeline regulator — eventually gave this re-reversal the green light to proceed in 2015, after Enbridge concluded testing and other conditions imposed by the NEB in March 2014.[/FONT]

File photo of Suncor’s Montreal Refinery, which can process up to 137,000 barrels per day of conventional crude oil, and is also configured to process diluted bitumen as well as “sour” or high-sulphur crude. Suncor Photo

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[h=2]Montreal refinery getting oilsands product[/h][FONT=&quot]Suncor’s Montreal refinery processes conventional crude oil as well as diluted bitumen and “sour” or high-sulphur crude, according to the company’s most recent annual information form. It says that in 2017, the Montreal refinery processed on average 24,300 barrels per day of diluted bitumen, 86,700 barrels per day of conventional crude and 14,700 barrels per day of other types of oil.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Bitumen, a tar-like heavy substance produced in the oilsands, needs extra processing before it can be refined into consumer products like gasoline. To put bitumen into a pipeline for transportation, it’s often diluted with another product, like a natural gas condensate.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]For years, Suncor has floated the idea of installing a coker unit at its Montreal refinery, which would allow it to greatly expand its ability to process bitumen, as it could turn the residue from the refining process into higher-value products.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The company is still considering the move, said Suncor CEO Steven Williams during the company's third-quarter earnings call on Nov. 1. "As we see the environment going forward, the Montreal coker is looking very attractive again," he said.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A coker isn't needed to process diluted bitumen, said Andrew Leach, associate professor of natural resources, energy and environment at the University of Alberta. If the refinery was blending dilbit with other crudes it would result in something similar to a standard light or medium crude, he told National Observer.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In addition to Line 9, the refinery is supplied by tankers and railways, and from the , which can bring oil from a port on the U.S. Atlantic coast. Suncor owns 23 per cent of that pipeline.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Montreal refinery produces everything from gasoline to heavy fuel oil, solvents, petrochemicals and other petroleum products. These are distributed primarily across Quebec and Ontario via the , which runs from Montreal to Lake Erie and has connections to Ottawa and Toronto. Finished products are also shipped by truck, by rail and over water.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Suncor also owns 33 per cent of the Trans-Northern Pipeline, which National Observer reported has been plagued with safety problems and leaks. The NEB found that the pipeline was a threat to public safety and issued a safety order in 2016 that reduced the line's pressure but kept it in service, and imposed a set of conditions on the operator, Trans-Northern Pipeline Inc.[/FONT]
[h=2]Is Canada more dependent on foreign energy?[/h][FONT=&quot]The findings cast doubt on whether Quebec would benefit from another pipeline such as Energy East. In Ottawa, federal Conservatives have been talking about reviving the terminated TransCanada project in recent weeks to counter Canada's dependence on foreign oil imports.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]TransCanada's $15-billion Energy East proposal would have brought up to 1.1 million barrels of oil per day from the West across a 4,500-kilometre route to New Brunswick.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In September, Conservative Party Leader Andrew Scheer told the House of Commons that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau "made Canada more dependent on foreign energy by killing Energy East, so we have to continue importing oil from places like Saudi Arabia and Venezuela."[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The TransCanada project, backed by the oil and financial sectors but opposed by Indigenous leaders, environmentalists and mayors along the proposed route, was derailed in 2016 after National Observer published revelations that an independent federal panel reviewing the project had met privately with former Quebec premier Jean Charest, a company consultant.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It was also not clear whether TransCanada would have been able to get enough shippers to make the Energy East project economically viable. The Calgary company's proposed Keystone XL project is relying on some taxpayer support after Alberta Premier Rachel Notley's government signed a 20-year deal to ship 50,000 barrels of oil per day on the line.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In an unrelated development last week, a U.S. federal judge has blocked the $10-billion Keystone XL pipeline project to allow more time to study its environmental impact. U.S. President Donald Trump called the ruling a “political decision” and a “disgrace" in comments to reporters on the White House lawn.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]National Observer sent a request for comment on Nov. 6 to Scheer's office about the necessity of Energy East, given National Bank's report, and then followed up on Nov. 9. Virginie Bonneau, a press secretary for Scheer, acknowledged the request by phone on Nov. 9. Scheer's office had not given a response by publication Nov. 13.[/FONT]

The National Energy Board's compilation of foreign oil imports to the Eastern Canadian provinces in 2015, 2016 and 2017. The graph shows that in Ontario, all foreign oil comes from the U.S., while in Quebec, the U.S. makes up a substantial portion. NEB screenshot[h=2]Ontario gets all its foreign oil from the United States[/h][FONT=&quot]Scheer's complaint about eliminating a dependence on Saudi Arabia specifically could be connected with New Brunswick, which got 38 per cent of its imported crude oil in 2017 from the Middle Eastern state, according to the NEB.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But New Brunswick has a of Canada's refining capacity for petroleum products, compared to Alberta, Ontario and Quebec which represent the majority of Canada's capacity, at a combined 65 per cent.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Refineries in Alberta and B.C. process more oilsands crude than other refineries in Canada: in 2017, Alberta and B.C. processed 61 per cent synthetic crude and 12 per cent bitumen, for example. Almost half of all raw bitumen produced was sent for upgrading in Alberta last year, according to Natural Resources Canada.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Meanwhile, Ontario sources the majority of its oil domestically, and all its imported oil comes from the United States. Ontario brought in an average of 50,000 cubic metres of oil per day of domestic oil between January 2012 and July 2017, compared to an average of 5,000 cubic metres per day of imported crude, mostly from North Dakota, Indiana and Texas.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“In the past, Atlantic Canada and Quebec were not well connected to domestic crude oil production," the NEB in a 2018 report about domestic and imported oil flows. "Until recently, all of these Canadian refineries imported crude oil to meet their needs. With the reversal of Line 9 and more rail capacity, Quebec refineries now process some western Canadian crude oil."[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The organization said between 1982 and 2004, Canadian refinery purchases of imported crude grew while domestic crude declined, but the trend began reversing in 2005. "The closure of refineries in central and Atlantic Canada that imported crude oil, the economic use of rail to transport discounted domestic crude oil and the re-reversal of Line 9 also contributed to this trend," it wrote.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Jolanta Kowalski, senior media relations officer at Ontario's Ministry of Natural Resources and Forestry, said the ministry doesn't collect any more detailed data on the topic.[/FONT]

 

[Summitric]

most all of the oil into quebec comes from saudi ..........

BEEEEP, wrong

 

[NoBrakes!]

if the oil doesnt get to Sarnia in line 5, how does it get to Montreal in line 9 after?

 

[ferniesnow]

if the oil doesnt get to Sarnia in line 5, how does it get to Montreal in line 9 after?

A copy paste from the original article............[FONT=&quot]Quebec would also be severely impacted were Line 5 to be shut down. It feeds Line 9, which runs to Montreal, providing about two-thirds of the crude oil refined and consumed in the province. Line 9 supplies Quebec’s only refineries — Suncor in Montreal and Valero in Lévis. These refineries produce gasoline for cars, jet fuel for the Montreal and Quebec City airports, home heating oils, petrochemicals (including polyester fibre used in clothing manufacturing and packaging) and products like asphalt.[/FONT]Without Line 5, these refineries and the four operating in Ontario will have to scramble to find alternative sources of crude oil. Alternatives will cost more, and these higher costs will be passed on to consumers.

 

[Cyle]

A copy paste from the original article............Quebec would also be severely impacted were Line 5 to be shut down. It feeds Line 9, which runs to Montreal, providing about two-thirds of the crude oil refined and consumed in the province. Line 9 supplies Quebec’s only refineries — Suncor in Montreal and Valero in Lévis. These refineries produce gasoline for cars, jet fuel for the Montreal and Quebec City airports, home heating oils, petrochemicals (including polyester fibre used in clothing manufacturing and packaging) and products like asphalt.Without Line 5, these refineries and the four operating in Ontario will have to scramble to find alternative sources of crude oil. Alternatives will cost more, and these higher costs will be passed on to consumers.

Let's see those retarded anti oil people in Ontario and Quebec response when a pipeline is directly going to effect them, I bet they love them now. Or maybe they are dumb enough to believe they can survive without it.

 

[imdoo'n]

BEEEEP, wrong

are you sure? or is it off shore oil that hits the docks and pumped through USA pipelines to montreal? heard a rumor!

 

[Clode]

shut line 5 down, let the east get some of their own medicine