BRP introduces the worlds first hydrogen cell snowmobile

[jhurkot]

Infrastructure to supply the power for the EV.
Showing just a solar panel is an inaccurate rendering of the comparison.


Looks like the toyota is about 8g more over the dual motor model 3 tesla.

The RWD model 3 is going to be discontinued in North America.

Who said rwd is getting discontinued?

Toyota mirai has sold 9,000 units globally since 2015.
Tesla model 3 has sold 439,000 units globally since 2017.

 

[Caper11]

Who said rwd is getting discontinued?

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Toyota mirai has sold 9,000 units globally since 2015.
Tesla model 3 has sold 439,000 units globally since 2017.

Read it on car and driver awhile ago. Just google it, it comes up.


How many EVs were sold before tesla got involved??? Imo tesla made a more appealing car that the public wanted to drive.
In North America hybrids were the thing to have and still had the styling and came in AWD.


Think about it for a second. Hydrogen has the ability to become more popular, especially if there is no new powerplants built to satisfy the demand for electricity.

Hydrogen is no more dangerous than any other compressed fuel like natural gas, and LPG.
Hydrogen leaks are more of a concern cause there is no odorant in it, its easier to ignite and the flame is almost colorless. But it does burn colder.

 

[jhurkot]

Read it on car and driver awhile ago. Just google it, it comes up.


How many EVs were sold before tesla got involved??? Imo tesla made a more appealing car that the public wanted to drive.
In North America hybrids were the thing to have and still had the styling and came in AWD.


Think about it for a second. Hydrogen has the ability to become more popular, especially if there is no new powerplants built to satisfy the demand for electricity.

Hydrogen is no more dangerous than any other compressed fuel like natural gas, and LPG.
Hydrogen leaks are more of a concern cause there is no odorant in it, its easier to ignite and the flame is almost colorless. But it does burn colder.

They discontinued the long range rwd. They still make rwd in standard range.

So you don’t need electricity to make hydrogen? Also check the efficiency difference between the two. The Toyota is 5x more expensive to drive per mile.

 

[Caper11]

They discontinued the long range rwd. They still make rwd in standard range.

So you don’t need electricity to make hydrogen? Also check the efficiency difference between the two. The Toyota is 5x more expensive to drive per mile.

It depends on the process, there are numerous ways to make hydrogen. Its sometimes a byproduct of a process already in use, hydrogen is also naturally occurring.

 

[jhurkot]

It depends on the process, there are numerous ways to make hydrogen. Its sometimes a byproduct of a process already in use, hydrogen is also naturally occurring.

“A 100% efficient electrolyser requires 39 kWh of electricity to produce 1 kg of hydrogen. The devices today require as much as 48 kWh/kg. So, if electricity costs are 0.05 US$/kWh, the power cost for the electrolysis process alone is 2.40 US$/kg of hydrogen. (NB: In the USA, average residential electricity cost is approximately 0.10 US$/kWh and industrial 0.06 US$/kWh). Capital costs for an electrolysis facility can be a huge factor, and for smaller installations can actually become the predominant cost factor.”

Hydrogen fuel cells are dead on arrival.

 

[Teth-Air]

“A 100% efficient electrolyser requires 39 kWh of electricity to produce 1 kg of hydrogen. The devices today require as much as 48 kWh/kg. So, if electricity costs are 0.05 US$/kWh, the power cost for the electrolysis process alone is 2.40 US$/kg of hydrogen. (NB: In the USA, average residential electricity cost is approximately 0.10 US$/kWh and industrial 0.06 US$/kWh). Capital costs for an electrolysis facility can be a huge factor, and for smaller installations can actually become the predominant cost factor.”

Hydrogen fuel cells are dead on arrival.

I think that everyone is missing the fact that hydrogen can be made from electricity or directly from fossil fuels. (eg natural gas) It is another way of storing potential energy that can produce electricity on demand rather than just relying on lithium battery technology. Batteries are good but hydrogen may offer some other advantages that we have not even considered yet.

 

[NoBrakes!]

pretty sure this has been around for a while already?

 

[jhurkot]

I think that everyone is missing the fact that hydrogen can be made from electricity or directly from fossil fuels. (eg natural gas) It is another way of storing potential energy that can produce electricity on demand rather than just relying on lithium battery technology. Batteries are good but hydrogen may offer some other advantages that we have not even considered yet.

So hydrogen is better because of an unknown reason?

The car is more expensive. Has worse performance. You can only fill it up at 1 place. Don’t even think about doing a road trip anywhere. Uses 5 times as much energy to travel the same distance.

 

[Annacassandra]

So hydrogen is better because of an unknown reason?

The car is more expensive. Has worse performance. You can only fill it up at 1 place. Don’t even think about doing a road trip anywhere. Uses 5 times as much energy to travel the same distance.

I don't think we are anywhere near Hydrogen being a viable alternative fuel source for cars or power sports for reasons you've mentioned.

BUT the world is headed towards more renewable sources of energy like wind and solar-- the single biggest issue with renewable energy sources is that they do not produce energy on demand and peak production times are generally minimum consumption times. Along with this is that most large gas or coal powered generation sites can't stop and start on demand they can ramp up and down to an extend but they need to operate at a base level 24/7. So this limits the extent to which renewable sources can even offset demand. So then the next issue becomes energy storage- how can we store energy without creating more pollution? Batteries are large and expensive to produce and have limited lifespans so are generally not an effective energy storage solution. But hydrogen basically only needs water and electricity to be produced, it's clean and burns clean with the only exhaust product being more water. It's a pretty interesting idea for energy storage.

 

[lilduke]

people are ridiculous natural gas burns clean, we have a unlimited supply basically and we are already set up for it. fuk hydrogen lol

 

[NoBrakes!]

propane powered 850T?

Wasn't propane injection a thing on 4 stroke turbo sleds? I was too young lol

 

[ABMax24]

propane powered 850T?

Wasn't propane injection a thing on 4 stroke turbo sleds? I was too young lol

I thought I seen a turbo apex or nytro running it, cheaper than race fuel and still high octane. I don't think there was more than a couple custom mod sleds built this way though.

 

[doorfx]

Hongcouver has had hydrogen fuel cell powered buses for years.

 

[Caper11]

“A 100% efficient electrolyser requires 39 kWh of electricity to produce 1 kg of hydrogen. The devices today require as much as 48 kWh/kg. So, if electricity costs are 0.05 US$/kWh, the power cost for the electrolysis process alone is 2.40 US$/kg of hydrogen. (NB: In the USA, average residential electricity cost is approximately 0.10 US$/kWh and industrial 0.06 US$/kWh). Capital costs for an electrolysis facility can be a huge factor, and for smaller installations can actually become the predominant cost factor.”

Hydrogen fuel cells are dead on arrival.

Thats one way to make hydrogen, but there is numerous other ways that hydrogen is made. It a byproduct of a process already.

 

[Caper11]

So hydrogen is better because of an unknown reason?

The car is more expensive. Has worse performance. You can only fill it up at 1 place. Don’t even think about doing a road trip anywhere. Uses 5 times as much energy to travel the same distance.

Unfortunately this is a comment that came up when EV’s first arrived on the market. Look how far they have come.

 

[jhurkot]

Unfortunately this is a comment that came up when EV’s first arrived on the market. Look how far they have come.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1180438989146333184.html

 

[lilduke]

propane powered 850T?

Wasn't propane injection a thing on 4 stroke turbo sleds? I was too young lol

people ran straight propane on 4 stroke and 2 stroke turbos

 

[pfi572]

people ran straight propane on 4 stroke and 2 stroke turbos

Yep , propane and high boost / compression .

 

[RGM]

I thought I seen a turbo apex or nytro running it, cheaper than race fuel and still high octane. I don't think there was more than a couple custom mod sleds built this way though.

One guy even brought his BBQ with him and hooked it to his tank. And I think they were tanks.

 

[Caper11]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1180438989146333184.html

Nikola is building hydrogen cell trucks and cars.