sloving CVT belt issues

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Okay we all hear about the hit and miss of belt alignment from various sled manufacturers.




One modification Ive seen in the past is to allow the secondary clutch to move along the jackshaft to compensate for some misalignment. (float the secondary)
But this only solves one axis of deflection. Hopefully it is enough to lower the heat and prolong belt life.


Other solutions are stiffening the rubber on the mounts to keep alignment but adding vibration to the sled and possibly to the rider.

Is the following solution viable OR will it add TOO MUCH WEIGHT?





Align the ENGINE , BOTH primary and SECONDARY clutches all mounted to the same RIGID frame and bolt to the frame via traditional rubber to sleds frame.

Maybe float the secondary to compensate for belt deflection from the clutches opening and closing. But I think a rigid identical frame should do it.

This should minimize belt heat issues.


This will shift the flex / out of alignment issues to the jackshaft , shaft from the secondary to the gears.


Split the shaft and add a Constant velocity JOINT like ones used on drive axles of a car , utv etc ? Misalgnment solved !!!


Constant-velocity joints (also known as homokinetic or CV joints) allow a drive shaft to transmit power through a variable angle, at constant rotational speed, without an appreciable increase in friction or play. They are mainly used in front wheel drive vehicles. Many modern rear wheel drive cars with independent rear suspension typically use CV joints at the ends of the rear axle halfshafts and increasingly use them on the drive shafts.


Or make the secondary a clutched point with a EASILY replaceable CV joint attached to the shaft?


Well ? Well ?
 

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Okay we all hear about the hit and miss of belt alignment from various sled manufacturers.




One modification Ive seen in the past is to allow the secondary clutch to move along the jackshaft to compensate for some misalignment. (float the secondary)
But this only solves one axis of deflection. Hopefully it is enough to lower the heat and prolong belt life.


Other solutions are stiffening the rubber on the mounts to keep alignment but adding vibration to the sled and possibly to the rider.

Is the following solution viable OR will it add TOO MUCH WEIGHT?





Align the ENGINE , BOTH primary and SECONDARY clutches all mounted to the same RIGID frame and bolt to the frame via traditional rubber to sleds frame.

Maybe float the secondary to compensate for belt deflection from the clutches opening and closing. But I think a rigid identical frame should do it.

This should minimize belt heat issues.


This will shift the flex / out of alignment issues to the jackshaft , shaft from the secondary to the gears.


Split the shaft and add a Constant velocity JOINT like ones used on drive axles of a car , utv etc ? Misalgnment solved !!!


Constant-velocity joints (also known as homokinetic or CV joints) allow a drive shaft to transmit power through a variable angle, at constant rotational speed, without an appreciable increase in friction or play. They are mainly used in front wheel drive vehicles. Many modern rear wheel drive cars with independent rear suspension typically use CV joints at the ends of the rear axle halfshafts and increasingly use them on the drive shafts.


Or make the secondary a clutched point with a EASILY replaceable CV joint attached to the shaft?


Well ? Well ?
CV joint is too heavy.
 

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Here’s a simple solution: allow the engine to be moved in the chassis (think ski-doo S and ZX mounting systems). Then center to center and parallelism is easily corrected,offset can be changed with jackshaft shims. If concerned with movement under load, add PTO and MAG bump stops. I’ve done all of here things over the years on different sleds, some requiring eccentric motor mount sleeves to correct alignment issues. Downside to this adjustability is cost of manufacturing, it’s easier to produce a cast or stamped part that is “engineered” to accommodate an engine...
 

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The jackshaft system design is the best system for the application.
A CV is designed to pivot between its fixed points.


The 2 fixed points are the 2nd clutch (framed to the primary clutch / engine and the jackshaft The CV joint is between the secondary clutch and jackshaft. Or the cv could be in the middle of the secondary transfering the power to the jackshaft while flexing to engine torque.
 

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What belt issues? 07 phazers, 08 Nytros, 13,14,15,16 pros and no issues. May not ride as hard as some but hard enough to have any problems.
 
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