Should CANADIANS be Packing?

[snotterite]

Or just as bad, your wife was accidentally killed by a citizen shooting someone trying to steal something from them or someone else.

Good point Mitch.................but as strange as it sounds now that you bring it up......I 'THINK' in TIME I could forgive the shooter in that situation........I THINK.........................But in a Gang land type shooting where the killer is a gang member..I know forgiveness will never happen.

 

[Deano670]

Property crimes effect WAY more people thang gangs and drugs combined. Media and police forces love the gang/drug spin as it makes for good news and good publicity (funding) for the cops.

If you put more guns in peoples hands with the "intent" to shoot back at gangs or bad people, then the risk of an innocent being hit are increased exponentially. I'm sure you would be none too pleased if it was your family member.

I say "no"......beating by a big stick is waaaay more fun.

Not to be a dink here Zrrr or single you out, but tell this to the family that just buried their headless son. And all he did was take a ride on the bus.

 

[Summiteer]

Not to be a dink here Zrrr or single you out, but tell this to the family that just buried their headless son. And all he did was take a ride on the bus.

Bad example Deano, You don't creat policy based on events that happen once every 20 years. Crazies don't stop to worry wether they'll get killed or not, most would love to go out in a blaze of glory instead of being forced to live with what they did.
In the same vein, you could say that about the exchange student that got lost and knocked on the wrong door in New Orleans on hallowe'en night a few years ago. Homeowner shot him dead through the door. His crime was poor english.
I think Both cases are irrelevent to the discussion because they represent such a small percentage of the situations that most people are faced with.
Fact is that the more guns there are out on the street, the more opportunity for someone to get hurt, either on purpose or by accident. JMHO

 

[bigdog67]

About a month ago I had a kid walk into my house at 1am.Turned around and lock the door as my wife and I watched TV.The little puke didn't see me walk up behind him until he turned around.He made a quick exit out the door.Barb Danalesko was stabbed in the hallway of her home while 3 thug robbed her house.Her husband held her as she died.All I have to say on this matter is,if you threatened my family ,and I'm packin...Prepare to meet your maker...No Negotiating.

 

[snotterite]

Bad example Deano, You don't creat policy based on events that happen once every 20 years. Crazies don't stop to worry wether they'll get killed or not, most would love to go out in a blaze of glory instead of being forced to live with what they did.
In the same vein, you could say that about the exchange student that got lost and knocked on the wrong door in New Orleans on hallowe'en night a few years ago. Homeowner shot him dead through the door. His crime was poor english.
I think Both cases are irrelevent to the discussion because they represent such a small percentage of the situations that most people are faced with.
Fact is that the more guns there are out on the street, the more opportunity for someone to get hurt, either on purpose or by accident. JMHO

Chit Mitch....I could only wish to express myself as well as you do. Seriously dude your GOOD.

 

[BeefRockmore]

Watching...." 30 Days "....a documentuary show by Morgan Spurlock that puts peeps in a uncomfortable situation for 30 days...This week it has a lady against citizen's having Guns....living 30 days with a gun loving family and also working at a gun shop for 30 days.
Do you feel we should be able to pack a firearm in Public?
Do you think we should be able to pack a concealed weapon[6 million Americans do]?

ABSOLUTELY YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO. When did you give up that God given right? US gov't keeps trying to take ours away cause that's one more thing that protects us from the government.

More practically, it's proven that areas that citizens can carry weapons have drastically lower crime rates.

 

[snotterite]

ABSOLUTELY YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO. When did you give up that God given right? US gov't keeps trying to take ours away cause that's one more thing that protects us from the government.

More practically, it's proven that areas that citizens can carry weapons have drastically lower crime rates.

Not rocking the boat ..Not stirring the pot......But how is having a gun a God given right.....Did God have a gun?
Can you post some Statistics to back your claim?
I respect your opinion.....please just explain....Thanks

 

[BeefRockmore]

Not rocking the boat ..Not stirring the pot......But how is having a gun a God given right.....Did God have a gun?
Can you post some Statistics to back your claim?
I respect your opinion.....please just explain....Thanks

EVERY right is God given. Government has NOTHING except what WE give it or allow it to take.

There are a lot of stats on crime... if I recall, the state of Florida made concealed-carry a lot easier about 5-10 years ago & crime went way down, believed to be because the muggers didn't know who was packing. I would concur.

 

[snotterite]

EVERY right is God given. Government has NOTHING except what WE give it or allow it to take.

There are a lot of stats on crime... if I recall, the state of Florida made concealed-carry a lot easier about 5-10 years ago & crime went way down, believed to be because the muggers didn't know who was packing. I would concur.

I'll leave the religious aspects out of this conversation....

My question is what prevents all the states from allowing a concealed weapon? If in fact it has such a positive effect like you say, why would any body be opposed?
No polictical party could stand a public 1 sided out cry........

 

[BeefRockmore]

I'll leave the religious aspects out of this conversation....

so you wait for government to tell you what your rights are, does it dictate your
faith too? (rhetorical question) this is a fundamental part of being a US Citizen, it's even stated in our Declaration of Independence

My question is what prevents all the states from allowing a concealed weapon? If in fact it has such a positive effect like you say, why would any body be opposed?
No polictical party could stand a public 1 sided out cry........

I don't know of any that completely ban it. There is a wide range of restrictions though. Some states are practical while others are more communist.

Political parties stand against the public a LOT; border fence for example.

 

[SLEDBUNNYRACING]

When in Italy we noticed that all public servants seemed to carry weapons, including the transit guys...and they showed them loud and proud. I hate to see untrained citizens making a life or death choice...but you think twice when you come eye to eye with a transit officer holding a gun.

More of the "right people" carrying might be good thing.

 

[Deano670]

EVERY right is God given. Government has NOTHING except what WE give it or allow it to take.

There are a lot of stats on crime... if I recall, the state of Florida made concealed-carry a lot easier about 5-10 years ago & crime went way down, believed to be because the muggers didn't know who was packing. I would concur.

And if you all read line one in this statement, its exactly why we as canadians FAIL to have control in our own country. We let the Govt tell us how it is.... And mitch bad example or not, if someone on that bus had a gun and guts enough to use it that kid would still be alive and justice would have been served. Id LOVE to see capital punishment return to our country aswell, but instead they'll piss away years of time and tax payers dollars first of all trying this guy in a court of law and when thats done then the head doctors will waste some more time and money trying to figure out WHY did he short circuit. JMO

 

[Deano670]

When in Italy we noticed that all public servants seemed to carry weapons, including the transit guys...and they showed them loud and proud. I hate to see untrained citizens making a life or death choice...but you think twice when you come eye to eye with a transit officer holding a gun.

More of the "right people" carrying might be good thing.

DEFINE UNTRAINED????? In todays society

 

[bigdog67]

I seen on this thread ,someone refer to the Grehound incident.How far do you think that guy would have got had even one person on the bus had a gun.If you don't know who has one,it sure makes a person think.Note on the side...The killer at Dawson Collage,his weapons were all registered.

 

[snotterite]

so you wait for government to tell you what your rights are, does it dictate your
faith too? (rhetorical question) this is a fundamental part of being a US Citizen, it's even stated in our Declaration of Independence



I don't know of any that completely ban it. There is a wide range of restrictions though. Some states are practical while others are more communist.

Political parties stand against the public a LOT; border fence for example.

Well yes...we live with the rules and regulations as set by the elected government.
Some States do not allow the possesion of a concealed weapon.....so in the mind of a American is that not against the fundamentals of the Declaration of Independence?
I assume you pack a fire arm........could you kill a person in a situation you deem life and death? Could you kill to avenge a loved ones death?

I appreciate your comments, your perspective is good debate material.

 

[bblosser]

Well it's true that 'guns don't kill people - People kill people'. However should there not be an intelligence screening process before being able to Pack Heat? Let's not forget that carrying a gun does not make you intelligent at all and there are sooooo many people out there that would be thrilled to carry a firearm and are certainly not capable of handling that responsibility. It's sad that some people are able to have the responsibility of driving a 3000 pound bullet (a.k.a. a car) now you wanna entrust them to handle the responsibility of being able to kill someone with the simple pull of a trigger.
A point on the racially specific gang activity taking over our cities - I think our governments need to be much more creative then the justice system allows thus far. If there was the threat of family deportation mabey the families themselves would keep the gang members in check.
Just a thought! But what do I know

 

[SLEDBUNNYRACING]

A guy like me...farm boy, had guns all my life, but am I properly educated to make a life and death decision for another person (while aiming a gun at them).

DEFINE UNTRAINED????? In todays society

 

[BeefRockmore]

Well yes...we live with the rules and regulations as set by the elected government.
Some States do not allow the possesion of a concealed weapon.....so in the mind of a American is that not against the fundamentals of the Declaration of Independence?
I assume you pack a fire arm........could you kill a person in a situation you deem life and death? Could you kill to avenge a loved ones death?

I appreciate your comments, your perspective is good debate material.

Gun control spits in the face of the Declaration of Independence as well as the Second Amendment to the USA Constitution, part of the Bill of Rights (1st 10 amendments). The Bill of Rights explicitly states things government may NOT do and #10 states that anything not explicitly granted to government is reserved to the people.

 

[BeefRockmore]

a friend well versed in gun laws just told me that UK gun ban increased crime by 100%
i don't have a source for that, but i don't doubt the general effect

 

[bigdog67]

bblosser makes a good point.The justice system has failed us all.I'm sure I'm not the only person out there frustrated with the slap on the wrist and the stern finger shaking.Maybe if the punishment fit the crime,this conversation wouldn't exsist....Good topic snotty....I'm finished my rant now...Sorry all..sore subject.