TPP Trans Pacific Partnership

[Bnorth]

In my eyes this should be a big election issue. How does it affect your livelihood? IMO it is another example of exporting Canadian jobs and resources cheaply only to buy back more Chinese made junk at Walmart. We have a rich country with resources others need, why the race to the bottom to export it quickly and cheaply? Why not wait for them to come to us and negotiate from a position of power?

 

[Bnorth]

That's what I thought. Everyone would rather complain about muslims than something that will immediately and seriously affect our lives for a long time.

 

[Summitric]

NOBODY UNDERSTANDS IT? THIS MIGHT HELP:


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Leaders of prospective member states at a TPP summit in 2010
Type	Trade agreement
Signed	Not signed

Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is a proposed trade agreement between several Pacific Rim countries concerning a variety of matters of economic policy. Among other things, the TPP seeks to lower trade barriers such as tariffs, establish a common framework for intellectual property, enforce standards for labour law and environmental law, and establish an investor-state dispute settlement mechanism.[SUP][1][/SUP] The stated goal of the agreement is to "enhance trade and investment among the TPP partner countries, to promote innovation, economic growth and development, and to support the creation and retention of jobs."[SUP][2][/SUP] TPP is considered by the United States government as the companion agreement[SUP][3][/SUP] to TTIP (the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership), a broadly similar agreement between the United States and the European Union.
Historically, the TPP is an expansion of the Trans-Pacific Strategic Economic Partnership Agreement (TPSEP or P4) which was signed by Brunei, Chile, Singapore, and New Zealand in 2006. Beginning in 2008, additional countries joined for a broader agreement: Australia, Canada, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru, the United States, and Vietnam, bringing the total number of participating countries to twelve.
Participating countries set the goal of wrapping up negotiations in 2012, but contentious issues such as agriculture, intellectual property, and services and investments have caused negotiations to continue into the present,[SUP][4][/SUP] with the latest round of negotiations in July 2015.[SUP][5][/SUP] Implementation of the TPP is one of the primary goals of the trade agenda of the Obama administration in the United States of America.[SUP][6][/SUP]
Although the text of the treaty has not been made public, Wikileaks has published several leaked documents since 2013. A number of global health professionals, internet freedom activists, environmentalists, organised labour, advocacy groups, and elected officials have criticised and protested against the treaty, in large part because of the secrecy of negotiations, the agreement's expansive scope, and controversial clauses in drafts leaked to the public.[SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP][SUP][10][/SUP][SUP][11][/SUP]

 

[ZRrrr]

I'm with you B...this is the wholesale sell off Canada and it's assets. NAFTA, CETA, TPP , TIPP, TTIP, and TISA (The Trade in Services Agreement) which will allow for privitization of publicly owned assets by foreign companies. FIPA, Harper's sell out to Chinese corporations, locks us in for 31 years with no withdrawal allowed for 15 years. Absolutely no disputes or complaints accepted from any Canadian individual or group. So locked up not even a regime change in Canada can change it without massive repercussions to Canadians. It's all in the ISDS clause (investor-state dispute settlement) which is part of every trade agreement-being ratified. Allows corporations to sue Canada for full repayment, to guarantee profits if any law or regulation is passed that they don't like. How is that good for Canada or Canadians!!!?? it should be noted that similar cluases were not put in place by any other country in which we signed these deals with. Completely one sided in favour of foreign companies.

All these meetings were held in secret and details kept from Canadians. There are many, many smart people who have written about how terrible these deals are and will be for Canada. An election issue??? CERTAINLY!!!


It takes a lot of research and reading to understand, which a 60 second news clip can't possibly cover. Consensus among intellectuals and economists is that these deals are bad, bad, bad as written.

Glad to see "some" people taking note and bringing it to light.

 

[eclipse1966]

100% agree! I have said this before…… we are selling our country piece by piece. If they American's get their way, there will be a lot of unhappy dairy farmers and poultry as one of the provisions to join TPP is to remove our marketing boards. By eliminating the boards, consumers should gain cheaper products. But, that will be at the expense of farmers who have paid for pretty expensive quotas. Hope the government has a plan for that.

I'm with you B...this is the wholesale sell off Canada and it's assets. NAFTA, CETA, TPP , TIPP, TTIP, and TISA (The Trade in Services Agreement) which will allow for privitization of publicly owned assets by foreign companies. FIPA, Harper's sell out to Chinese corporations, locks us in for 31 years with no withdrawal allowed for 15 years. Absolutely no disputes or complaints accepted from any Canadian individual or group. So locked up not even a regime change in Canada can change it without massive repercussions to Canadians. It's all in the ISDS clause (investor-state dispute settlement) which is part of every trade agreement-being ratified. Allows corporations to sue Canada for full repayment, to guarantee profits if any law or regulation is passed that they don't like. How is that good for Canada or Canadians!!!?? it should be noted that similar cluases were not put in place by any other country in which we signed these deals with. Completely one sided in favour of foreign companies.

All these meetings were held in secret and details kept from Canadians. There are many, many smart people who have written about how terrible these deals are and will be for Canada. An election issue??? CERTAINLY!!!


It takes a lot of research and reading to understand, which a 60 second news clip can't possibly cover. Consensus among intellectuals and economists is that these deals are bad, bad, bad as written.

Glad to see "some" people taking note and bringing it to light.

 

[ZRrrr]

Canada has been hit by 36 NAFTA claims for passing laws that benefit Canadians. These cases are decided by secret arbitration panels made up of domestic and foreign lawyers, not the courts. Their decisions can’t be appealed. Eli Lily filed a $500 million suit to stop us from getting cheaper generic drugs. Lone Pine wants $250 million because Quebec imposed a fracking moratorium. ExxonMobil’s sub Murphy Oil won $17.3 million because Labrador and Newfoundland required the world’s most successful company to dedicate .33% (point three three percent!) of its revenue to training local workers and Bilcon wants $300 million because a federal/provincial environmental assessment resulted in it not getting a permit to build a quarry and marine terminal on Nova Scotia’s environmentally sensitive coastline.

There are 8 more cases pending. The total fines will run over $2 billion. That’s $2 billion in taxpayer dollars that will not go to healthcare, childcare, security or infrastructure.


...and that's just under NAFTA!!!!

 

[lilduke]

I too was wondering about this. So I asked Steven Harper about it today(yes I have that kind of pull) Here is what he said:

"What the TPP? haha, Do not concern yourself with that lil secret international treaty."

"It's nothing"

"Not an election issue"

"We are working day and night(mostly night) with the illuminati, to get this done BEFORE the last upcoming Canadian Federal election."

"err latest I meant."

"It is important we get this done now, Justin is not fully trusted to get this done"

"My overlords have made it very clear; He's just not ready"

"Nice hair though, he will be an accomplished puppet one day"

"What you sweating me for anyways? Don't you trust me??"

"This is Steve here,,,, your Boy" "Jobs..." " The Economy...."

"Hey look over there, it is ISIS!!"


Runs away.


Unfortunately Trudeau and Mulcair were not available for comment today. I guess they are at some Socialist Dictator training seminar at the Vatican all week, with special guest Caitlyn Jenner! Rest assured we are in good hands and that is good enough for me. If that's not good enough for you, you need to be "re-educated"

Oh and friendly reminder: Don't forget to pay the PST on that 10year old sled, that you bought used 5 years ago.
There is lots of new Canadians depending on you.

And more importantly, ITS THE LAW. And that is to be unquestioned and obeyed blindlessly at all times.



LOL ok I'm done here

 

[deaner]

Thats the scary thing about this election. I dont see any of the three as a viable option. Stevey seems like the least of the three evils, but the way he is selling us out to foreign interests is downright scary. I cant describe how much I want to punch Justin Trudeau in the face. Like from the ankle at a full run.

 

[handyandy]

Thats the scary thing about this election. I dont see any of the three as a viable option. Stevey seems like the least of the three evils, but the way he is selling us out to foreign interests is downright scary. I cant describe how much I want to punch Justin Trudeau in the face. Like from the ankle at a full run.

I agree with you 100%. Trudeau and Mulcair are a couple of clowns and Harper isn't really take the country in the direction it should go either.
It seems common sense has been completely thrown out the window in politics.

 

[camoJoe]

Canada has been hit by 36 NAFTA claims for passing laws that benefit Canadians. These cases are decided by secret arbitration panels made up of domestic and foreign lawyers, not the courts. Their decisions can’t be appealed. Eli Lily filed a $500 million suit to stop us from getting cheaper generic drugs. Lone Pine wants $250 million because Quebec imposed a fracking moratorium. ExxonMobil’s sub Murphy Oil won $17.3 million because Labrador and Newfoundland required the world’s most successful company to dedicate .33% (point three three percent!) of its revenue to training local workers and Bilcon wants $300 million because a federal/provincial environmental assessment resulted in it not getting a permit to build a quarry and marine terminal on Nova Scotia’s environmentally sensitive coastline.

There are 8 more cases pending. The total fines will run over $2 billion. That’s $2 billion in taxpayer dollars that will not go to healthcare, childcare, security or infrastructure.


...and that's just under NAFTA!!!!

so much for "Free Trade" and...... it is good for us

 

[Bnorth]

Thats the scary thing about this election. I dont see any of the three as a viable option. Stevey seems like the least of the three evils, but the way he is selling us out to foreign interests is downright scary. I cant describe how much I want to punch Justin Trudeau in the face. Like from the ankle at a full run.

IMO Harper is actually the most evil of the 3 evils however he is also probably the best equipped to run our country right now. I feel he has and will continue to do serious long term damage to Canada whereas the others will only screw up things in the short term that can be corrected in the future.

 

[Cdnfireman]

IMO Harper is actually the most evil of the 3 evils however he is also probably the best equipped to run our country right now. I feel he has and will continue to do serious long term damage to Canada whereas the others will only screw up things in the short term that can be corrected in the future.

Why is he evil? Can't figure out why people say that. Is it because he tries to balance the budgets and reduce taxes? Because he believes personal initiative and responsibility are positive attributes? The other two continue to promote taxing your money from you and then giving a portion of it back in government programs. The TPP is going to happen with or without Canada. At least from the inside we're able to ensure everyone is working from the same start position and meets the same requirements.

 

[Bnorth]

Evil is a figure of speech. He has failed to balance the budget for six of his years in power, he has gutted environmental legislation as well as our environmental protection agencies, he has put all our eggs in one economic basket, he does not communicate well with his constituents, and his policies have served to grow the 1% while shrinking the middle class.

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[handyandy]

As a grain/cattle farmer I think the TPP might benefit me. However There is so little information available, I can't decide for sure. What effect will allowing 5 or 10% foreign dairy products in have? Will the dairies expensive quota become worthless? WTO currently doesn't allow Canada to export most dairy products because we have supply management. Would access to foreign markets offset any possible losses from getting rid of supply management? Lower price dairy products would help consumers. It's impossible to keep everyone happy.

 

[Cdnfireman]

Evil is a figure of speech. He has failed to balance the budget for six of his years in power, he has gutted environmental legislation as well as our environmental protection agencies, he has put all our eggs in one economic basket, he does not communicate well with his constituents, and his policies have served to grow the 1% while shrinking the middle class.

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Back in '08-10 I think it's fair to say that given the world economic crisis it would have been very difficult to run a balanced budget. The need to stimulate the economy using government spending was a necessary evil and was done worldwide. And it took time to get out from under that. Most countries still haven't. Look at the deficit the states are running!As for the environmental stuff, at worst the conservatives have reduced the ability of foreign interests to interfere and bog down environmental reviews. Shill environmental groups sponsored by organizations like the tides foundation, the MacArthur foundation etc and other interest groups that aren't Canadian have no business being in the process.
True, the oil industry has been the big driver of the economy for the last few years. It's also supported a lot of manufacturing industry in central Canada and gives jobs to lots of people from the maritimes. It's been the biggest player in keeping our economy going. Bear in mind that the world economy has been weak for several years now and oil was the only commodity that was in high enough demand to generate development interest in Canada. Oil, not grain,or timber, or car parts from Ontario.
As for this 1% nonsense, this is a fabrication of the looney left in the United States. The uber rich alway have been and always will be uber rich. They didn't get that way from government action or inaction of the last few years. You can be as jealous as you want because there's people richer than you but there always will be. And if you think that you can redistribute their wealth by taxing it away from them you're dreaming. They've always been good at protecting themselves. The threat to the middle class isn't from the rich, it's they who own the businesses that create the middle class jobs. The threat to the middle class is having over 50% of your earnings disappear into the government every year. And if the liberals and NDP get their way you'll pay even more!

 

[Chrisp1]

Back in '08-10 I think it's fair to say that given the world economic crisis it would have been very difficult to run a balanced budget. The need to stimulate the economy using government spending was a necessary evil and was done worldwide. And it took time to get out from under that. Most countries still haven't. Look at the deficit the states are running!As for the environmental stuff, at worst the conservatives have reduced the ability of foreign interests to interfere and bog down environmental reviews. Shill environmental groups sponsored by organizations like the tides foundation, the MacArthur foundation etc and other interest groups that aren't Canadian have no business being in the process.
True, the oil industry has been the big driver of the economy for the last few years. It's also supported a lot of manufacturing industry in central Canada and gives jobs to lots of people from the maritimes. It's been the biggest player in keeping our economy going. Bear in mind that the world economy has been weak for several years now and oil was the only commodity that was in high enough demand to generate development interest in Canada. Oil, not grain,or timber, or car parts from Ontario.
As for this 1% nonsense, this is a fabrication of the looney left in the United States. The uber rich alway have been and always will be uber rich. They didn't get that way from government action or inaction of the last few years. You can be as jealous as you want because there's people richer than you but there always will be. And if you think that you can redistribute their wealth by taxing it away from them you're dreaming. They've always been good at protecting themselves. The threat to the middle class isn't from the rich, it's they who own the businesses that create the middle class jobs. The threat to the middle class is having over 50% of your earnings disappear into the government every year. And if the liberals and NDP get their way you'll pay even more!

Well put. I agree. growing the 1% is the long term solution to growing the middle class. Without them investing in our country and creating jobs we will dry up. Hitting them up with tax increases will make them move as a self preservation tactic and this will be a temporary fix. NDP have no long term plans because they want to please short term.

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[lilduke]

The threat to the middle class is having over 50% of your earnings disappear into the government every year.

Truth

 

[rzrgade]

Ohh this is comical...ohh my!!
Every one says " don't sell off our resources, refine here, do this here , do that here..."
i wonder if those are the same people that protest every mega project we consider to build in Canada !!!!
Once the legal and environmental process is over(if ever ?)more than likly the money set aside to build it is long spent...lol

To all those protesting pipelines, would you let us build the infrastructure etc to refine our own energy ? I highly dought it . Do you think the greenies care if it creates more high paying jobs for Canadiens lmfao ..3 out of 4 of our political parties cater to these same people to get elected into power !
...seeing as the same people protest every pipeline or resource business venture! This is how the greenies win...just tie it up with red tape , over and over and over..,,,
its a great idea not to sell of any of our resources I agree ,but what (insert Mulscare &JT here)pays the bills in the mean time ??
Sadly the days of the mega projects are over...
all we do now is pay lawyers to argue instead of build sustainable projects that would benefit us all long term.

If we elect a government that says screw it, gonna build it anyways because it makes sense ($$$)... They would be tossed out first term if they made it that far..,,

this is is the new reality...and the reason we do what we do today...IMO.

 

[Bnorth]

Back in '08-10 I think it's fair to say that given the world economic crisis it would have been very difficult to run a balanced budget. The need to stimulate the economy using government spending was a necessary evil and was done worldwide. And it took time to get out from under that. Most countries still haven't. Look at the deficit the states are running!As for the environmental stuff, at worst the conservatives have reduced the ability of foreign interests to interfere and bog down environmental reviews. Shill environmental groups sponsored by organizations like the tides foundation, the MacArthur foundation etc and other interest groups that aren't Canadian have no business being in the process.
True, the oil industry has been the big driver of the economy for the last few years. It's also supported a lot of manufacturing industry in central Canada and gives jobs to lots of people from the maritimes. It's been the biggest player in keeping our economy going. Bear in mind that the world economy has been weak for several years now and oil was the only commodity that was in high enough demand to generate development interest in Canada. Oil, not grain,or timber, or car parts from Ontario.
As for this 1% nonsense, this is a fabrication of the looney left in the United States. The uber rich alway have been and always will be uber rich. They didn't get that way from government action or inaction of the last few years. You can be as jealous as you want because there's people richer than you but there always will be. And if you think that you can redistribute their wealth by taxing it away from them you're dreaming. They've always been good at protecting themselves. The threat to the middle class isn't from the rich, it's they who own the businesses that create the middle class jobs. The threat to the middle class is having over 50% of your earnings disappear into the government every year. And if the liberals and NDP get their way you'll pay even more!

Well put. I agree. growing the 1% is the long term solution to growing the middle class. Without them investing in our country and creating jobs we will dry up. Hitting them up with tax increases will make them move as a self preservation tactic and this will be a temporary fix. NDP have no long term plans because they want to please short term.

I voted for Harper in both of the last two elections I'm not exactly a left winger and I agree with a lot of what you have to say especially about 08-10 although lets not give Harper the credit as we all know Jim Flaherty wasthe real economic mind in that government. Let's not compare ourselves to the US, surely we can find a better comparison than that. While the energy sector was certainly growing leaps and bounds we all know its a cyclical nature and yet no mind was paid to contingency plans or fostering sustainable growth. It was wide open and then blame the markets when it fails.

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If growing the 1% is the answer then how come it isn't working? The 1% is wealthier than it has ever been and yet the standard of living for the middle class has been eroding. Pretty strong evidence that the trickle down economic model first proposed by Reagan doesn't work very well. This is a global economy so the wealthy will invest wherever they can get there best return and often that is not Canada. Not due to taxation but due to labour and safety costs. It's almost always cheaper to produce offshore and increasingly skilled services are being off-shored as well. Much of what makes money in Canada is Crown property (Oil, gas, minerals, forestry, fishing etc) and the Government lets corporations extract these resources very inexpensively and then these corporations are free to take the earnings from public resources and invest them in other Countries.

 

[Bnorth]

Ohh this is comical...ohh my!!
Every one says " don't sell off our resources, refine here, do this here , do that here..."
i wonder if those are the same people that protest every mega project we consider to build in Canada !!!!
Once the legal and environmental process is over(if ever ?)more than likly the money set aside to build it is long spent...lol

To all those protesting pipelines, would you let us build the infrastructure etc to refine our own energy ? I fought it ....seeing as you protest every pipeline or resource business venture! This is how the greenies win...just tie it up with red tape , over and over and over..,,,
its a great idea not to sell of any of our resources I agree ,but what (insert Mulscare &JT here)pays the bills in the mean time ??
Sadly the days of the mega projects are over...
all we do now is pay lawyers to argue instead of build rejects that would benefit us all..

If we elect a government that says screw it, gonna build it anyways because it makes sense ($$$)... They would be tossed out first term if they made it that far..,,

this is is the new reality...and the reason we do what we do today...IMO.

Do you really think anyone on this site is protesting pipelines? Maybe pushing for world class installations and safety measures but I haven't met any NIMBY's from here. And no one is saying don't sell resources we are saying sell them for the top dollar, no bargain pricing and reduce raw exports do as much refinement, upgrading, or production here as possible. As far as mega-projects being over are you aware of the upgrade that Rio Tinto just completed in Kitimat, or how about Site C or the LNG facility at Woodfibre?