My experience with the Tesla Model 3

[jhurkot]

So if you get to one of these charging stations and there's a lineup, you are stranded till it's your turn?

Yup...

 

[Cyle]

So if you get to one of these charging stations and there's a lineup, you are stranded till it's your turn?

Sounds like hell. Why can't they invent some way of powering vehicles that can be refilled within minutes?

 

[Bikeswithtrax]

Sounds like hell. Why can't they invent some way of powering vehicles that can be refilled within minutes?

Yes.
If only something existed like that.
Where say you could pull in, grab a nozzle attached to a hose, and fill up in a few minutes with something that gave a really long range.
And then have those things all over the place, even just out along the roads, not just in towns. Possibly they could even sell snacks, and have a bathroom.

 

[jhurkot]

Yes.
If only something existed like that.
Where say you could pull in, grab a nozzle attached to a hose, and fill up in a few minutes with something that gave a really long range.
And then have those things all over the place, even just out along the roads, not just in towns. Possibly they could even sell snacks, and have a bathroom.

Or buy an EV from a company that had enough foresight to install DC fast chargers all over North America.

 

[S.W.A.T.]

Yes.
If only something existed like that.
Where say you could pull in, grab a nozzle attached to a hose, and fill up in a few minutes with something that gave a really long range.
And then have those things all over the place, even just out along the roads, not just in towns. Possibly they could even sell snacks, and have a bathroom.

Never happen. Think of the logistical nightmare getting electricity to a place like that to run the pumps. And the lineups that would be there. Heaven forbid there is no attendants and a person had do it themselves

 

[Mike270412]

So all EV's don't charge at the same place? Tesla's only charge at Tesla specific charging stations?

Or buy an EV from a company that had enough foresight to install DC fast chargers all over North America.

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[Couch]

Or buy an EV from a company that had enough foresight to install DC fast chargers all over North America.

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Oooopppps...looks like Tesla thought NL must be part of some other continent .....looks a bit like petrocanada's map ....

 

[lilduke]

None in Inuvik either. wtf...

 

[jhurkot]

So all EV's don't charge at the same place? Tesla's only charge at Tesla specific charging stations?

Tesla Superchargers only work for Tesla. Charging. Speeds up to 250kw but the older ones are 150kw. Most are 4-8 stalls. You plug in and the car does the rest. The display shows charging cost on the screen. Tesla’s can also use all other EV chargers but may need an adapter.

DC fast chargers are usually a third party and can be activated by a card or phone app. The Petrocanada chargers for instance are rated up to 350kw but the car will decide how much power it’s capable of. A Chevy bolt can only dc fast charge at 50kw. Porsche and Audi have speeds of 200kw and higher. These 3rd party fast chargers are usually only 1 or 2 stalls.

Most DC fast charge sessions are going to be 15-30minutes on average.

AC charging (1-10kw) is slow and not suited for charging on a road trip except for overnight at a hotel.

 

[X-it]

Anyone want to know the cost of these things and more important who is paying for them and where is all the power coming from? You don't see the CBC digging into this "as usually". It is so interesting to see how Tesla made it to the status as the Quebec of Canada in the ev car market. The blond climate barbie moment.

 

[Cdnfireman]

Tesla Superchargers only work for Tesla. Charging. Speeds up to 250kw but the older ones are 150kw. Most are 4-8 stalls. You plug in and the car does the rest. The display shows charging cost on the screen. Tesla’s can also use all other EV chargers but may need an adapter.

DC fast c2hargers are usually a third party and can be activated by a card or phone app. The Petrocanada chargers for instance are rated up to 350kw but the car will decide how much power it’s capable of. A Chevy bolt can only dc fast charge at 50kw. Porsche and Audi have speeds of 200kw and higher. These 3rd party fast chargers are usually only 1 or 2 stalls.

Most DC fast charge sessions are going to be 15-30minutes on average.

AC charging (1-10kw) is slow and not suited for charging on a road trip except for overnight at a hotel.

Right there is where this EV charging station thing hits a wall called reality. An 8 stall charging station at 250kw per stall is 2Mw. That’s for ONE charging station. The electrical service required to supply this would be huge. Now imagine a city the size of red deer in the future where there might be a dozen stations. That’s 24Mw of electrical demand. You can argue that not all stations will be full all the time, and you can derate the demand somewhat, but built into that system there would have to be some kind of limiting equipment to reduce the load to a reasonable amount. Translation: very few cars at one time will get the full 250kw charge rate, and the more cars at the station, the longer it will take to charge them all up.
There’s no free lunch when it comes to supplying energy. It has to come from somewhere, and it’s disingenuous as hell for the EV manufacturers to claim fast charge rates of up to XXXkw, then say it’s damaging to the battery to charge at that max rate.

 

[skegpro]

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[S.W.A.T.]

Many many many years off before EVs can match the combustion engine for anything other than the regular commuter. I still maintain it makes more sense to have one as a grocery getter then a diesel one tone.

 

[Caper11]

Why dont the roof and the hood on a electric car have solar panels on them?

 

[jhurkot]

Right there is where this EV charging station thing hits a wall called reality. An 8 stall charging station at 250kw per stall is 2Mw. That’s for ONE charging station. The electrical service required to supply this would be huge. Now imagine a city the size of red deer in the future where there might be a dozen stations. That’s 24Mw of electrical demand. You can argue that not all stations will be full all the time, and you can derate the demand somewhat, but built into that system there would have to be some kind of limiting equipment to reduce the load to a reasonable amount. Translation: very few cars at one time will get the full 250kw charge rate, and the more cars at the station, the longer it will take to charge them all up.
There’s no free lunch when it comes to supplying energy. It has to come from somewhere, and it’s disingenuous as hell for the EV manufacturers to claim fast charge rates of up to XXXkw, then say it’s damaging to the battery to charge at that max rate.

It doesn’t damage the battery. Who told you that? Charge speed is designed to be safe for the battery. 250kw rate is only at a low state of charge. It tapers as it goes. Red deer has 8 stalls at 250kw and 4 stalls at 150kw. So 12 stalls total. Why is this not ok for you? Electricity is pretty easy to transport compared to anything else besides data.

 

[jhurkot]

Why dont the roof and the hood on a electric car have solar panels on them?

They could but realistically 300watts of solar is not going to charge a 75000watt hour battery very quickly.

Cybertruck could have a solar option for the bed cover.

Plan to install a huge array this spring so Cdnfireman doesn’t have to worry about my car being powered by coal

 

[ABMax24]

They could but realistically 300watts of solar is not going to charge a 75000watt hour battery very quickly.

Cybertruck could have a solar option for the bed cover.

Plan to install a huge array this spring so Cdnfireman doesn’t have to worry about my car being powered by coal

How big is the system you are planning to install? I figure I'd need about 16 300 watt panels just to cover my daily commute, if I had an electric car and enough room left on my roof that is.

 

[jhurkot]

How big is the system you are planning to install? I figure I'd need about 16 300 watt panels just to cover my daily commute, if I had an electric car and enough room left on my roof that is.

Gonna start with 15kw at the house. Then look at doing some bigger 50kw systems for our pivots.

 

[Caper11]

They could but realistically 300watts of solar is not going to charge a 75000watt hour battery very quickly.

Cybertruck could have a solar option for the bed cover.

Plan to install a huge array this spring so Cdnfireman doesn’t have to worry about my car being powered by coal

I thought of building an array and using it as a carport, easier to clean the panels too, now that im thinking about it my steel roof gazebo melts the snow quick.
With the proper roof pitch id get sun alot. Probably a bylaw against it tho.

 

[ABMax24]

Gonna start with 15kw at the house. Then look at doing some bigger 50kw systems for our pivots.

That's a big system, you'd need a huge roof or a ground mount.