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Elusive Truth​

Suppose you examine an apple and determine that it’s red, sweet, smooth and crunchy. You might claim this is what the apple is. Put another way, you’ve made truth claims about the apple and seemingly made statements about real properties of the apple. But immediate problems arise. Let’s suppose your friend is color blind (this is unknown to you or her) and when she looks at the apple, she says that the apple is a dull greenish color. She also makes a truth claim about the color of the apple but it’s different than your truth claim. What color is the apple?

Well, you might respond, that’s an easy problem to solve. It’s actually red because we’ve stipulated that your friend has an anomaly in her truth-gathering equipment (vision) and even though we may not know she has it, the fact that she does means her perception of reality is incorrect. But now let’s suppose everyone is color blind and we all see “red” apples as green? Now no one has access to the “real” color of the apple. Again, the response might be that that this is a knowledge problem, not a truth problem. The apple really is red but we all believe it’s green. But notice that the truth of the apple’s color has little role to play in what we believe. No one knows what the truth is and so it plays no role in our epistemology.

The challenge is that our view of truth is very closely tied to our perspective on what is true. This means that in the end, we may be able to come up with a reasonable definition of truth, but if we decide that no one can get to what is true (that is, know truth), what good is the definition? Even more problematic is that our perspective will even influence our ability to come up with a definition! These are no small concerns and we’ll explore some responses below.
 

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Elusive Truth​

Suppose you examine an apple and determine that it’s red, sweet, smooth and crunchy. You might claim this is what the apple is. Put another way, you’ve made truth claims about the apple and seemingly made statements about real properties of the apple. But immediate problems arise. Let’s suppose your friend is color blind (this is unknown to you or her) and when she looks at the apple, she says that the apple is a dull greenish color. She also makes a truth claim about the color of the apple but it’s different than your truth claim. What color is the apple?

Well, you might respond, that’s an easy problem to solve. It’s actually red because we’ve stipulated that your friend has an anomaly in her truth-gathering equipment (vision) and even though we may not know she has it, the fact that she does means her perception of reality is incorrect. But now let’s suppose everyone is color blind and we all see “red” apples as green? Now no one has access to the “real” color of the apple. Again, the response might be that that this is a knowledge problem, not a truth problem. The apple really is red but we all believe it’s green. But notice that the truth of the apple’s color has little role to play in what we believe. No one knows what the truth is and so it plays no role in our epistemology.

The challenge is that our view of truth is very closely tied to our perspective on what is true. This means that in the end, we may be able to come up with a reasonable definition of truth, but if we decide that no one can get to what is true (that is, know truth), what good is the definition? Even more problematic is that our perspective will even influence our ability to come up with a definition! These are no small concerns and we’ll explore some responses below.
now that is some deep Sh!t dude.
 

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truth is, you don't know the answer to "how far is up?" you come up with an excuse that we need more details. Sounding like a liberal politition, skirting the question. Asking the question "What is Trueth?" is exactly the same as asking "How far is up?" It's all a matter of perspective.

Now there's some phylosphy for you
 

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truth is, you don't know the answer to "how far is up?" you come up with an excuse that we need more details. Sounding like a liberal politition, skirting the question. Asking the question "What is Trueth?" is exactly the same as asking "How far is up?" It's all a matter of perspective.

Now there's some phylosphy for you

I just got "up" off the toilet. It was About 3 feet.

Its not even close to the same problem. But nice try pipes
 

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Any who, i hope y'all can see the futility in arguing about what is true, when you cant even define truth.


Carry on though, space lasers taking out blue houses i think was the topic 🤣
 

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After some thinking on the chitter the answer to how far is "up" would be infinity asumming its "true" we live in an infinite universe.


If the earth is flat and we live under a dome, i guess it would be the hieght of the dome.
 

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On Maui, if you can get something done with one phone call or email, it’s a miracle. It literally makes your day. I could write pages of examples. So when I heard the sirens didn’t sound in Lahaina to warn residents of the fires, I wasn’t surprised. When I heard power poles were knocked down in 80 mph gusts, when they’re supposed to withstand 110 mph, I wasn’t surprised. When I heard the power company didn’t turn off the power, even after some of these poles fell down, I wasn’t surprised. When I heard the police went back and forth, opening and closing the road to Lahaina, causing upset and confusion, I wasn’t surprised. When I read criticism that no one took responsibility for the flammable grasses and brush around the powerlines in what is literally a desert, I wasn’t surprised. When I read that Maui’s Emergency Operations Chief wasn’t qualified for his job, I wasn’t surprised. One mans comments about maui.
 

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I was discussing with my brother over coffee on how far up was, and his take on it was up is a direction not a measurement.


And i said good point.
 
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