No O.H.V.'s at Catararct Creek Snow Vehicle Public Land Use Zone - Only Snowmobiles

[Highfly]

The insurance world wont cover ATV UTV on snowmobile trails. ASA cant sell a trail pass to a ATV UTV because of insurance reasons. They have looked into the idea and no insurance wil give them the proper trail coverage to have a organized trail system with.

Trail insurance has a very limited group of companies to deal with. Their rules are in their favor.



Like what was said already. McLean creek has it all for motorized needs. Sleds ATV UTV dirt bikes snow bikes trucks jeeps whatever spins your wheels. This area needs a organized McLean creek off road club to clean up and improve the trails for all to use safe and responsible use. By the sounds of things this area needs some work. I have never been there on the trails just from what I have heard from a number of people

Yes it does need work. It use to be a fantastic place until the 400HP 4X4's with 44" bogers ripped the $hit out of everything. When they closed Wiperious to 4X4 use all the traffic from there went to McLean. That is when the area went to hell. I submerged my VW dunebuggy just trying to get out to the trail system from the camping area and toasted a motor. With Wiperous closed and the state that McLean is in I gave up and sold my rail. Zero maintenance has been done for years. Almost think this was done on purpose to choke down the traffic from being able to use the area.The holes keep getting deeper and the quads/side by sides and bikes are going into the trees more and more to find ways around the mess.




But this is all for a different thread......

 

[Stickman70]

Lots of sledders that don't do a damn thing to maintain trails, litter, do damage to public property, etc. also. And I know lots of guys that maintain trail systems on ATV's in the summer that are primarily used or designated snowmobile use only in the winter so I don't see any validation in your above statement.
Also, if I ride these trails on a sled and never do a damn thing to maintain them does this mean I'm not allowed to ride them either? That's the way I understand it according to you.

This thread was about Cataract Creek, which is crown land, I get what you are saying though but when trail maintenance is being done with quads, trucks, ect... at Cataract, it is with strict rules and with government supervision.
laws are laws and if you want to change them, have at 'er.

 

[RCMP DAD]

Part of the reason ( law ) is that during the hot summer months, Some of these unmaintained machines are apt to start fires! I personally have never encountered a forest fire started by an unkept machine. The aspect is still there though.

 

[Puba]

Part of the reason ( law ) is that during the hot summer months, Some of these unmaintained machines are apt to start fires! I personally have never encountered a forest fire started by an unkept machine. The aspect is still there though.

Question.
Is it legal to have a sled deck, two snowmobiles, two people and gear on a half ton without being illegal on weight?

Both sleds standard 2 stroke 800cc's
Both people 200lbs
230 pounds of gear
2 five gallon cans of gas
And the up deck (sled deck) made of aluminum.

 

[lilduke]

Yes it does need work. It use to be a fantastic place until the 400HP 4X4's with 44" bogers ripped the $hit out of everything. When they closed Wiperious to 4X4 use all the traffic from there went to McLean. That is when the area went to hell. I submerged my VW dunebuggy just trying to get out to the trail system from the camping area and toasted a motor. With Wiperous closed and the state that McLean is in I gave up and sold my rail. Zero maintenance has been done for years. Almost think this is was on purpose to choke down the traffic from being able to use the area.The holes keep getting deeper and the quads/side by sides and bikes are going into the trees more and more to find ways around the mess.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/HHighfly/Buggy/3-1.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/HHighfly/Buggy/2-2.jpg
But this is all for a different thread......

Looks like you should have got some 44's before trying that hole.....

 

[LBZ]

This thread was about Cataract Creek, which is crown land, I get what you are saying though but when trail maintenance is being done with quads, trucks, ect... at Cataract, it is with strict rules and with government supervision.
laws are laws and if you want to change them, have at 'er.

Not looking to change anything. I'm just saying tracks are tracks and tires are tires. If it's got tracks let it ride the sled trails. If it has tires then no. Put a GVW limit on to keep trucks and jeeps and tanks and tractors and if so inclined even sxs's out and no more issues. Bitching about atv's just because supposedly they don't help maintain trails is retarded. How are they supposed to if they aren't allowed in there?Give them a chance. FWIW a tracked machine in the summer will also do less damage than a wheeled one so they can go in and do trail maintenance with minimal ground disturbance compared to tire'd machines. I'm not saying it should be open to atv's with tracks in the summer at all though. Just sayin.....

Part of the reason ( law ) is that during the hot summer months, Some of these unmaintained machines are apt to start fires! I personally have never encountered a forest fire started by an unkept machine. The aspect is still there though.

Not sure how you would start a fire in the winter on a sled trail with NO exhaust even but ok.

 

[RCMP DAD]

Question.
Is it legal to have a sled deck, two snowmobiles, two people and gear on a half ton without being illegal on weight?

Both sleds standard 2 stroke 800cc's
Both people 200lbs
230 pounds of gear
2 five gallon cans of gas
And the up deck (sled deck) made of aluminum.

The vehicle in question will still be under any weight restrictions for Alberta highways. If the vehicle is in good mechanical operating condition licensed and insured as well as driven in a safe manner you shouldn't have any problems. However, its going to eventually bag your truck. I am new to Alberta and not aware of any Alberta Traffic Safety Act laws prohibiting transportation of snowmobiles as long as they are properly secured to the transporting vehicle.

 

[Pistonbroke]

The vehicle in question will still be under any weight restrictions for Alberta highways. If the vehicle is in good mechanical operating condition licensed and insured as well as driven in a safe manner you shouldn't have any problems. However, its going to eventually bag your truck. I am new to Alberta and not aware of any Alberta Traffic Safety Act laws prohibiting transportation of snowmobiles as long as they are properly secured to the transporting vehicle.

If you don't mind the question, where did you move from?

 

[Highfly]

Question.
Is it legal to have a sled deck, two snowmobiles, two people and gear on a half ton without being illegal on weight?

Both sleds standard 2 stroke 800cc's
Both people 200lbs
230 pounds of gear
2 five gallon cans of gas
And the up deck (sled deck) made of aluminum.

This has been asked so many times it isn't funny anymore. My neighbor is one of the head honchoes with the D.O.T. As long as the tires are rated for the weight you are good to go in Alberta.
BC as we all are fully aware go buy the GVRW of the vehicle, go over that and it's hook time.....Done end of discussion.

A little research goes a long ways....

http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/cvse/references_publications/pdf/MV3231(082003)GVWR.pdf

Now back to the land use thread.......

 

[Puba]

This has been asked so many times it isn't funny anymore. My neighbor is one of the head honchoes with the D.O.T. As long as the tires are rated for the weight you are good to go in Alberta.
BC as we all are fully aware go buy the GVRW of the vehicle, go over that and it's hook time.....Done end of discussion.

A little research goes a long ways....

http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/cvse/references_publications/pdf/MV3231(082003)GVWR.pdf

Now back to the land use thread.......

It's hilarious

 

[whoDEANie]

For those that are interested, here is the response I got from the ESRD land management specialist for the South Saskatchewan Region.

The Cataract Creek PLUZ trails were specifically designed for the use of snow machines. The trails are designated for ‘Snow Vehicles’ which are motor vehicles that are specifically designed and equipped to be driven exclusively on snow and ice. An OHV is described as a motor vehicle used for cross country travel on land, water, snow, ice, marsh, swamp or other natural terrain. Although you can make an OHV travel in snow, it is still an OHV and not considered a snow vehicle. Under the Public Lands Administration Regulations a person could be charged for taking an OHV into a designated Snow Vehicle area.

Hopefully this helps to clarify the approved designated trail use within the Cataract Creek PLUZ and put to rest some of the on line debate and potential illegal use.

Essentially I read this to mean that a snow equipped OHV can still "bog". I guess I can appreciate that classifying tracked quads as snow machines (at least in this area) would complicate an otherwise very simple rule - snowmobiles only - and potentially expose the area to even more illegal use.

 

[TylerG]

For those that are interested, here is the response I got from the ESRD land management specialist for the South Saskatchewan Region.


Essentially I read this to mean that a snow equipped OHV can still "bog". I guess I can appreciate that classifying tracked quads as snow machines (at least in this area) would complicate an otherwise very simple rule - snowmobiles only - and potentially expose the area to even more illegal use.

I think that's a great explanation from ESRD, and this applies to other area's of the Province as well I'm sure.

thanks for posting this Dean!

 

[signedge]

Cataract and Etherington are also designated equestrian trails in the summer time. There are tents set up for horses in the summer and camps for new riders. So they don't want the trails ruined by quads

 

[Teth-Air]

So as I understand it a person can build a homemade OHV and register it as such but it will have to meet requirements and have inspection. Is this true for homemade snowmobiles? One that may resemble a snowbike? I too am a snowmobiler but often think of building a snowbike which should be considered a snowmobile.