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    Re: Do you ride with a beacon, shovel and a probe.

    We have it all...and take extras for those who don't. We generally don't ride with peeps who don't have the proper gear for the mountains, and some training. We have AST1 and it's the least training people should have if riding the mountains regularly IMO.

    Buying the gear is easy, learning how to use it effectively under pressure takes training and practice.

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    Re: Do you ride with a beacon, shovel and a probe.

    Quote Originally Posted by oler1234 View Post
    run with a ABS bag myself.... statistically you are better off with the bag over anything else when it comes to avalanche gear
    What kind of statement is this? Don't rip me right off the bat, okay......but the beacon is the necessity!

    I'll admit the statistics are supposedly high for those who have an air bag and can pull the trigger in the event of being caught in an avalanche. But if you don't have a beacon, those stats are thrown out the window because no one can find you quickly if you are buried!

    The beacon/transceiver's sole purpose is to transmit/receive a signal in the event of a burial. Everyone needs a beacon in the mountains, period. Not everyone needs an air bag although they are another tool in the box. To ride with an air bag and no beacon is extremely insane. Tell me, how are you going to look with your fancy $1000 air bag standing on top of a debris pile hollering for your best friend who is wearing a beacon and who just got buried in an avalanche and you have no beacon to find him/her?


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    Re: Do you ride with a beacon, shovel and a probe.

    I always have my beacon, shovel, probe and SPOT satelite GPS messange and sometimes I also bring my GPS so we don't get lost!

    I have taken AST 1. It is really all about making the right decisions and playing safe!

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    Re: Do you ride with a beacon, shovel and a probe.

    Quote Originally Posted by oler1234 View Post
    run with a ABS bag myself.... statistically you are better off with the bag over anything else when it comes to avalanche gear
    So....just the ABS bag for yourself?? What about the peeps riding with you...how will you rescue them?

    For me, I like to know that I have a hope in heck of saving someone else's life. I feel my beacon, probe and shovel are as much for their safety as mine.

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    Re: Do you ride with a beacon, shovel and a probe.

    I think there should also be a question in here would you ride with someone that doesn't carry this equipment. I for one, will not knowingly ride with someone that does not have all three. If someone wants to put their own life in jeopardy, go for it, but when you are in my riding group and if there was an incident I want to make sure that the people I surround myself with are capabale and able to locate and rescue me or someone else.

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    Re: Do you ride with a beacon, shovel and a probe.

    So now if we're all prepared with the beacon, probe and shovel and you're all able to dig me out, how many of you will know what to do with my lifeless body now that you've recovered my pulseless corpse? At minimum I believe everyone should have a basic CPR course. Know how to clear an airway. Know how to position the head and neck to minimize further injury and allow good airway entry. Do you carry oral airways in your First Aid kit? Would you continue CPR on me if I puke? 99% of the victims that require CPR do not immediately regain consciousness, sit up and thank you for a job well done, like in the movies. I'm not trying to stir it up but there's more to a successful search and recovery than just having an avy course. If you think you're prepared then get "Fully" prepared.

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    Re: Do you ride with a beacon, shovel and a probe.

    Quote Originally Posted by oler1234 View Post
    run with a ABS bag myself.... statistically you are better off with the bag over anything else when it comes to avalanche gear
    I'm just curious to this statement.....I have heard it many times on sledding forums too. I am just wondering how an avy bag is statistically better to have than a beacon? How do you know that you'd be able to pull that cord in each and every situation? What about the peeps that you're riding with if you don't have a beacon? How will they be able to find you if you are buried? What about your loved ones back at home? I think this statement is a very self-absorbed one.....and I don't think that there are any responsible sledders out there that would want to ride with such a person. Not only are you endangering your own life, you are knowingly putting an unnecessary burden on your sledding group.

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    Re: Do you ride with a beacon, shovel and a probe.

    Quote Originally Posted by BC Sno-Ghost View Post
    So now if we're all prepared with the beacon, probe and shovel and you're all able to dig me out, how many of you will know what to do with my lifeless body now that you've recovered my pulseless corpse? At minimum I believe everyone should have a basic CPR course. Know how to clear an airway. Know how to position the head and neck to minimize further injury and allow good airway entry. Do you carry oral airways in your First Aid kit? Would you continue CPR on me if I puke? 99% of the victims that require CPR do not immediately regain consciousness, sit up and thank you for a job well done, like in the movies. I'm not trying to stir it up but there's more to a successful search and recovery than just having an avy course. If you think you're prepared then get "Fully" prepared.
    Great point Sno-Ghost. I agree with having a basic first aid course as well. How many people ride with a first aid kit? What do people actually pack in their back packs?

    - Alberta 1 First aid kit (beefed up by me)
    - 2 flash lights
    - dryer lint
    - Striker (don't know the name, creates a spark to light dryer lint on fire)
    - flares
    - extra gloves, sweater, hat
    - 2 flash lights
    - trail mix, beef jerkey, Cliff bars (always kept in bag)
    - water, gatorade
    - heater packs

    Can't remember what else off the top of my head.



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    Quote Originally Posted by snoqueen View Post
    I'm just curious to this statement.....I have heard it many times on sledding forums too. I am just wondering how an avy bag is statistically better to have than a beacon? How do you know that you'd be able to pull that cord in each and every situation? What about the peeps that you're riding with if you don't have a beacon? How will they be able to find you if you are buried? What about your loved ones back at home? I think this statement is a very self-absorbed one.....and I don't think that there are any responsible sledders out there that would want to ride with such a person. Not only are you endangering your own life, you are knowingly putting an unnecessary burden on your sledding group.

    1. AST 1 course 2.beacon, probe, shovel (know how to use these tools proficiently) 3. avy bag.
    Gotta agree... I have often said that I will be found with my Avy bag undeployed if I am buried : I am a panicker and I know it. So my beacon is my first line of defense as far as I am concerned.

    Also, everyone should check their beacon range- magnets in jackets and cell phones are two very common things that interfere with signal.

    Last- if you found me and I needed CPR: could you do it and do it well? Time to brain death from hypoxia is short, digging takes longer than you think, and therefore swift and effective resuscitation is vital...

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    Re: Do you ride with a beacon, shovel and a probe.

    Wow.... got everyone rowled up this morning. i was going to type something but i will hold off. I am sure what i have to say will base ranted on and its the cold hard facts, purely based on digging 4 guys out last year and others.


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