thanks for your guys' input so far!
so with probes.. you said make sure the locking device screws not pulls.. therefore the ortovox carbon 240 would be eliminated from the option list??
also.. carbon vs aluminum tubing? 10mm diameter vs 10+mm?
seems 240cm and 10mm diameter is good for the average backcountry recreational user.. and iv been reading about carbon not freezing but aluminum does sometimes?
The small diameter probes that come in the shovel handles suck.They are too flexible for probing in my opinion.