Canadian dollar Ski-Doo rip off

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Posted: March 18, 2008, 8:39 PM in the National Post by Diane Francis

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Some companies are still charging Canadians more than American consumers even though our currencies have been at par for months and appear as though they will stay that way.

In the fall, I wrote about the Canadians who were buying luxury cars in the U.S. to bring them home and saving $20,000. That, and other adverse publicity, resulted in markdowns of prices for certain cars here in Canada and helped spur even more vehicle imports to a record total.

What follows is another example of price discrimination against Canadians by BRP, formerly Bombardier Recreational Products, and its Ski-Doos.

They are offering snowmobiles for next fall at 20% higher prices than to Americans, and forbidding their American dealers from selling to Canadians, said a long-time customer who asked to remain nameless. BRP will not honor warranties on Ski-Doos bought by Canadians in the U.S. and brought home.

Canadians overcharge Canadians

It’s even more annoying because there products are first-class, because the company’s founder, a Canadian named Armand Bombardier, invented the ski-doo and because the Bombardier family and its companies have received massive taxpayer assistance over the years.

(BRP is no longer part of Bombardier Inc. A few years ago, the family-controlled public company sold it to a partnership which included the family with 25%, U.S. private equity outfit Bain & Co. 50% and the Caisse de Depot et Placements du Quebec the rest.)

“I know you and others at the NP have previously written about ‘price discrimination’ of Canadian consumers (especially on vehicles) as the Canadian dollar soared. These circumstances were, I believe, largely the result of dislocations due to unanticipated exchange rate changes,” wrote a reader who asked to remain nameless.

“However, here is a circumstance that is unexplainable - other than it exists because an arrogant Quebec company believes they can exploit Canadian consumers.”

“BRP Recreational Products is offering advance orders for new snowmobiles, to be delivered next fall, to Canadian customers at prices over 20% (C$2,400 on many models) higher than the price offered to U.S. consumers,” he wrote.

He said there is no excuse for higher prices and those amounts quoted do not include freight costs or give an allowance for currency differences.

Check it out yourself

“Simply go to their website (www.ski-doo.com - BRP Ski-Doo), select Canada or the U.S. and then select a specific snowmobile model. Do it again for the other country and you get the price difference. That is, they are knowingly pursuing price discrimination.”

He uses the example of model Rev-XP, Summit 800R, 154 which will cost Canadian buyers $13,549 and American buyers $11,149.

For the U.S. price go to and for the Canadian price go to

In conclusion my reader said “I am not a competitor and have no financial interest other than as a consumer. I own four snowmobiles, all made by BRP but I am deferring buying a new one based on this price discrimination.”

SAME CH!T as LAST YEAR....BOYCOTT BRP!!!
 

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I,m with you there.I won,t be buying another bombi product and that doe,s include the quads too!!!!! If we get more people on board the dealers in canada will be whinning.
 

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I agree I can get a 800 dragon 155 for 13000 Can out the door and to get a doo, 154 'X' out the door is 13800, and the snow check offer by the american manf is alot better than our mother country Manf is offering, Very fustruating!!! And do you know what the 154'X' and the dragon 800 155 are $50 between each other in the states Both are under 10800 MRSP.
 

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I was in the US last week buying a sled from a dealership and could buy a brand new 2008 XP 154 for $8,400 US.

Out of all the sled manufacturers BRP ticks me off the most. Canadian product made by a Canadian company - bailed out numerous times by Canadian tax payers dollars and this is the big thank you we get!!!!!
 

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What can we do? Should we not buy and keep riding our old sleds till they smarten up!!!:nono::nono:
 

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I hear ya! There are also too many good used machines out there with next to no miles on them to be had. Pi$$ on the new ones!! Dealerships will also tell you that they are stuck, and not able to deal...is it true or a line of BS. New sleds/quads/bikes are nice, but not when u can buy a one or two year old sled from someone who took good care of it, upgraded it and gives you a great deal (thanks mrcoops!!).
 

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I will be heading south to snowcheck machines. I feel sorry for the Canadian dealers. Their hands are tied by the big wheels at head office. We have 14 snowchecks here heading south. 154 X = $9950 ( 20% difference, approx. $2700.00 ) !!!!!
 

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I wonder if the other dealer's are the same way in their pricing?? May have to check into this a bit more. Wonder what would happen if 60% of us that were going to buy a new Doo this year differed to 2010 instead and voiced our displeasure with our Canadian company putting the screws to us.
 
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Buy a Cat....Problem solved.

This thread is not about what or who is the better sled/manufacturer...:rant:...we all know Yamaha and Polaris would win that title ;):D it is about our tax dollars subsidizing a CANADIAN company that in turn charges us MORE for the same product then refuses to warranty their sleds when purchased for LESS in the USA.

The other 3 are guilty as well when it comes to the dollar being at or near par but to a lesser degree as we don't give them our TAX dollars to survive and they are USA/Japan based companies.

GOT NAFTA
 

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This thread is not about what or who is the better sled/manufacturer...:rant:...we all know Yamaha and Polaris would win that title ;):D it is about our tax dollars subsidizing a CANADIAN company that in turn charges us MORE for the same product then refuses to warranty their sleds when purchased for LESS in the USA.

The other 3 are guilty as well when it comes to the dollar being at or near par but to a lesser degree as we don't give them our TAX dollars to survive and they are USA/Japan based companies.

GOT NAFTA

:...we all know Yamaha and Polaris would win that title ;):
Have another one for me LOL!
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I think the mentality has always been that us Northern Folk should just pay more! Its been that way forever. Fridge, TV's,Microwaves everything.

When is started my trailer business I decide that my prices would be competitive with my US dealers. They had to be! It wouldn't be worth my customers time, fuel, lodging etc.. to go down and purchase the same trailer.
But and this is a big But! My manufacturer has to sell me that trailer at the same cost as my US counterparts.

Thats were whole thing falls apart for every dealer in Canada. They simply have to pay to much for the same product. It's pretty bad when Gm dealers are heading downsouth to buy Fords to sell on there lots to make there profits for that quarter!

What do we do? How do we fix it? Keep raising hell!
 
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If nobody buys BRP, it is the dealers who will suffer. The gov't will just bail out BRP.....AGAIN.

Here is a better idea....maybe the dealers should be pushing the manufacturer to price fairness for their Canadian customers...then they won't have to suffer and BRP won't need another handout.

I decide that my prices would be competitive with my US dealers. They had to be! It wouldn't be worth my customers time, fuel, lodging etc.. to go down and purchase the same trailer.
What do we do? How do we fix it? Keep raising hell!

Yes we fix it by raising hell and as far as not being worth the time guess it depends on what you are buying and how far you are willing to go to get it...Time + Fuel + Lodging + ECT = GOT ROAD TRIP...:D:D:D

Have another one for me LOL!

Fixed it for ya CMD....By the looks of your post it will take me a few to catch up...LMPhAO!!!
 

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I think there are going to be some really good deals on used sleds in the U.S. because they are heading (or already there) into an economic recession and guess what gets sold off first when people are in financial trouble?? THE TOYS!!!! . Have some freinds in Oregon and they tell me people are getting laid off left and right (including them) and the toys are on the market (boats, motorcycles,sleds, second vehicle, quads, etc) so it is a buyers market. The sad thing is that these people are in danger of losing their homes. Our freinds in Oregon are trying to sell their home (as is everyone else on their block) it has been listed since last fall and not one person has looked at it. Heck some people are even setting their houses on fire hoping to cash in on insurance. To make a long story short there are excellent deals to be had if you are willing to go across the line but beware what happens in the U.S. usually happens in Canada later on down the road!!!!

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Does doo have a complaint department or email address? The rep at the edmonton show told me last year that if our dollar hung in there, the prices for 09 would come down.Guaranteed it as a matter of fact.
 

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I was in the US last week buying a sled from a dealership and could buy a brand new 2008 XP 154 for $8,400 US.

Out of all the sled manufacturers BRP ticks me off the most. Canadian product made by a Canadian company - bailed out numerous times by Canadian tax payers dollars and this is the big thank you we get!!!!!

Not to stick up for BRP, but they have never received a cent from taxpayers. Bombardier has, but they are a completely different company.
 
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Not to stick up for BRP, but they have never received a cent from taxpayers. Bombardier has, but they are a completely different company.

BS...:D

Quebec will spend $8.5 million to help build a cutting edge research centre in Premier Jean Charest's Sherbrooke riding.

The centre, to be housed in a new high-tech park, is a joint venture of Bombardier Recreational Products (BRP) and the University of Sherbrooke.

Engineering students at US will collaborate with BRP workers to develop new technology to build recreational vehicles.

BRP president Jose Boisjoli said an incubator for innovation is essential to maintaining an edge in the global market.

"There are more and more Chinese companies on the market, and they're copying our models," he said Tuesday.

BRP expects to produce at least five new technologies over the next five years.

Charest said the centre will also strengthen the university's reputation as a research leader.

The centre, scheduled to open in 2008, is expected to cost $36 million. Quebec is contributing $8.5 million to the project, while Ottawa is chipping in $9.9 million. Bombardier is fronting $15.6 million and the university $2.1 million.

That is on top of the taxpayers that have propped up the fortunes of the Montreal-based giant with government loans and grants (better known as corporate welfare cheques) to the tune of $758 million.

GOT Planes, Trains, and Recreational Products.

OVER!!!

ps...WTH are we doing paying tax dollars for them to do R&D...:confused:

pss...How do you think Have Not Quebec gets money?...they get it from Have Lots Of It BC and Alberta....:mad:
 

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BRP HAS SEPERATED FROM BOMBARDIER...... BOMBARDIER NOW SOLELY BUILDS PLANES, TRAINS AND SATELLITE COMPONENTS, AND TUNNELS, ETC.... IT IS THE MONEY LOOSING SIDE OF THE OLD COMPANY. BOMBARDIER RECREATION PRODUCTS IS STILL OWNED BY THE FAMILY, AND SOME OUTSIDE INVESTORS. THEY BUILD ALL THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLES.... I KNOW BOTH COMPANIES HAVE RECEIVED "HUGE" GOVERNMENT GRANTS AND INTEREST FREE LOANS TO KEEP AFLOAT IN THE PAST, AND NOW FREE GRANTS FOR NEW DEVELOPEMENTS.... YUP, MORE TAXPAYERS MANEY TO A CANADIAN COMPANY THAT SEEMS TO CARE MORE FOR THE AMERICANS:patriot: THAN OUR OWN HOMIES............ :nono::rant:
 

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Another great post Fab. I posted my true feelings somewhere else and now will add to it in a more civilized way. Canadians in general know how much crutch money has been sent to Quebec. Time and time again this province displays there higher than mighty additude with their requests of SPECIAL TREATMENT. We are FRENCH, WE are superior,We should separate,We are loyalist to our Home land first. With that additude no average , normal, regular Canadian will get a fair shake. We donot qaulify, We are not worthy,We are of lesser human beings in their eyes. I do think if they run into financial problems again the Gov. will once again bail and bail and bail. Many people say if I dont buy a skidoo the company will go bankrupt and my tax dollars will have to save them again. Come on boys ask your wife if you can have your balls back. They have been in her purse so long they look like fuggin raisins. I will not support any company that is sodimising [sp] my family or the country for there own benifit. I can appreciate a 1 time helping hand in the right conditions but come on BRP we dont even pull up our pants and your giving us another hard high one . So you guys that ride the skidoo welfare trail dont come on here and biatch. I'am not telling you what to buy or what to ride. Just have the principles to back your actions and dont support a company and then trash-it over and over. This post has nothing to do about what sled is best. This post has everything to do with being GOOD CANADIANS.............something which is very much missing in Canada with All groups who claim SPECIAL STATUS.
 
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