Is man made climate change real?

[imdoo'n]

Why do you think solar, wind, and hydro are not viable?

take the subsidies away and we will find out!

 

[Caper11]

“You know, my science is limited to the fact that I know that eons ago, there was a ice age.... I know that for sure. I know one time, the Arctic was the tropics. And I guess I wonder what caused that? Was it Dinosaur Farts? I don’t know.”

Former premier King Ralph Klein,

 

[jhurkot]

I don’t believe in this CO2 theory, I do believe that the climate is changing. Is it from us, or is it the slow order of things, that resets the life on this planet. It’s happened before so who really knows.
I should not be taxed on a gas that occurs naturally, thats a by product of our day to day lives, and essentially keeps us alive.
There is other countries that pollute way more than we do.

One thing I do know, some people on this planet will say,and believe anything if it will make them a profit.

If you see data that shows co2 levels rising in correlation with average global temperature, it doesn’t make you think that the two could be related?

 

[JayT]

If you see data that shows co2 levels rising in correlation with average global temperature, it doesn’t make you think that the two could be related?

So how do you know that CO2 levels aren't following temperature rise, not the other way around?

 

[team dirt]

If you see data that shows co2 levels rising in correlation with average global temperature, it doesn’t make you think that the two could be related?

Maybe CO2 is following temperature rise to ensure with more atmospheric heat there is more food for the increased growing that will take place. The earth has its own regulators we will never understand.

 

[Teth-Air]

Who can we trust? The only reason for conflicting data is someone is getting rich.



Eleven Years Of Arctic Sea Ice Thickening

Posted on January 3, 2019 by tonyheller
Arctic sea ice volume continues its eleven year long expansion.

Spreadsheet​

There has been a large expansion of thick ice into the Chukchi, Beaufort and East Siberian Seas since 2008.

2008 2019​

Arctic sea ice extent is close to the 1981-2010 median.

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[Caper11]

If you see data that shows co2 levels rising in correlation with average global temperature, it doesn’t make you think that the two could be related?

Truthfully, I dont care what the data says, how much of that data is valid, and how much of it is fabricated???

Im getting taxed again soon, for bad practices in other countries that do not give a rats ass about pollution, but we as responsible north Americans get penalized. Where is my carbon credit or incentive for owning and using bicycles? Having trees on my property???

As I said earlier, IF thats the case and man made technology is causing a increase of CO2, than stop manufacturing, and development of things that are supposedly causing it. That means giving up all of our toys and creature comforts, and that means all vehicles as well.


All forms of electricity is brought to us by the oil, gas and coal industry.

 

[Teth-Air]

Truthfully, I dont care what the data says, how much of that data is valid, and how much of it is fabricated???

Im getting taxed again soon, for bad practices in other countries that do not give a rats ass about pollution, but we as responsible north Americans get penalized. Where is my carbon credit or incentive for owning and using bicycles? Having trees on my property???

As I said earlier, IF thats the case and man made technology is causing a increase of CO2, than stop manufacturing, and development of things that are supposedly causing it. That means giving up all of our toys and creature comforts, and that means all vehicles as well.


All forms of electricity is brought to us by the oil, gas and coal industry.

Alberta buys expensive hydro-electric power from BC in the daylight hours and sells cheap coal fired power to BC at night while they close off their dams for the demand the next morning. So some electricity is from hydro power. I do understand it takes diesel to build these dams though.

 

[jhurkot]

So how do you know that CO2 levels aren't following temperature rise, not the other way around?

Because scientists have figured out that the co2 is acting as a one way passage for heat. The heat comes in and instead of bouncing off the earth and going back into space it bounces off the atmosphere and comes back to the earth again. If you make it more difficult for the heat to escape that would cause the average global temperature to increase right?

Here is a good example comparing to other planets in our solar system...

 

[Caper11]

Because scientists have figured out that the co2 is acting as a one way passage for heat. The heat comes in and instead of bouncing off the earth and going back into space it bounces off the atmosphere and comes back to the earth again. If you make it more difficult for the heat to escape that would cause the average global temperature to increase right?

Here is a good example comparing to other planets in our solar system...

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Acting as a one way passage???? Thats why I do not believe this stuff. A cloudy day blocks out heat, a sunny day that clouds over in the evening keeps heat in.

Radiant Heat comes in, as that radiant heat hits something it warms that surface up and it stays warm. Rock for example is a excellent heat absorber and radiator. No different than the infloor heat in your home, you take the source of the temperature rise away from the concrete, it remains warm for quite sometime.



The comparison of our plant to another in our solar system is ridiculous . We are the only plant thats a “goldilocks” planet that supports life,

 

[Teth-Air]

Because scientists have figured out that the co2 is acting as a one way passage for heat. The heat comes in and instead of bouncing off the earth and going back into space it bounces off the atmosphere and comes back to the earth again. If you make it more difficult for the heat to escape that would cause the average global temperature to increase right?

Not necessarily if other factors are also at play such as increased clouds that has been proven to provide a cooling effect. As more water from our oceans gets evaporated due to initial warmer temperature, this water vapor can hold more heat but the ground below is cooled which reverses the warming trend. It is a self balancing phenomenon and if it did not work this way the earth's temperature would have run away long ago. This run-away temperature is seen on other planets where adequate atmosphere and water vapor is not present. In the end you have a perspective as a farmer that I don't have. You get to see each year how dry your soil is. I know that there have been a few tough years down in southern Alberta but the cycle is reversing. 2018 was cooler than the high of 2016 and this year looks like it will be even cooler still. How is your moisture content in the soil now?

 

[JayT]

Acting as a one way passage???? Thats why I do not believe this stuff. A cloudy day blocks out heat, a sunny day that clouds over in the evening keeps heat in.

Radiant Heat comes in, as that radiant heat hits something it warms that surface up and it stays warm. Rock for example is a excellent heat absorber and radiator. No different than the infloor heat in your home, you take the source of the temperature rise away from the concrete, it remains warm for quite sometime.



The comparison of our plant to another in our solar system is ridiculous . We are the only plant thats a “goldilocks” planet that supports life,

I would agree with this statement as a much more plausible cause, perhaps the millions of square kilometers of black pavement we've installed in the last 60 years? It doesn't seem like any of that is taken into account from these scientists

 

[lilduke]

Johnny, what ppm are we shooting for?

what would the ideal ppm be for human life?

 

[Caper11]

Not necessarily if other factors are also at play such as increased clouds that has been proven to provide a cooling effect. As more water from our oceans gets evaporated due to initial warmer temperature, this water vapor can hold more heat but the ground below is cooled which reverses the warming trend. It is a self balancing phenomenon and if it did not work this way the earth's temperature would have run away long ago. This run-away temperature is seen on other planets where adequate atmosphere and water vapor is not present. In the end you have a perspective as a farmer that I don't have. You get to see each year how dry your soil is. I know that there have been a few tough years down in southern Alberta but the cycle is reversing. 2018 was cooler than the high of 2016 and this year looks like it will be even cooler still. How is your moisture content in the soil now?

In my neck of the woods, is been a cold and miserably wet month and a half. Most rain ive seen in a long time, and the ground is saturated and is taking along time to dry out.

 

[lilduke]

Johnny, what ppm are we shooting for?

what would the ideal ppm be for human life?

edit: not trying to call you out or anything, just you and abmax are the climate change side of the s&m debate. haha

 

[JayT]

I think, regardless of what side of the argument you're on, we know it's been readily admitted by top-level Executives in the UN that climate change is being used as a tool to push their agenda. That agenda is nefarious in nature and involves power and money, which means any data that comes out of all these studies could be classified as highly suspect. The UN is dictating the language that all of the media outlets use to describe our climate, which is why in the last 6 months we went from "climate change", to climate emergency and climate crisis. The UN is now using children to push their agenda, because they are easier to manipulate. If you take a step back and look at the bigger picture, it's very easy to see that their endgame is control. There are much better ways to deal with rise in CO2 levels than taxing everybody to death, that much is obvious.

 

[jhurkot]

Johnny, what ppm are we shooting for?

what would the ideal ppm be for human life?

I would say the range we have been in for past 400,000 years would be a good place to be.

 

[jhurkot]

Acting as a one way passage???? Thats why I do not believe this stuff. A cloudy day blocks out heat, a sunny day that clouds over in the evening keeps heat in.

Radiant Heat comes in, as that radiant heat hits something it warms that surface up and it stays warm. Rock for example is a excellent heat absorber and radiator. No different than the infloor heat in your home, you take the source of the temperature rise away from the concrete, it remains warm for quite sometime.



The comparison of our plant to another in our solar system is ridiculous . We are the only plant thats a “goldilocks” planet that supports life,

Exactly. The atmosphere on earth is what it allows it to have life.

 

[retiredpop]

Does anyone else find it ironic that the biggest proponents of "climate change" or "climate crisis" also have the biggest carbon footprint of anybody? That in itself should be a hint they don't believe it themselves. This is bogus science purely for the purpose of manipulation of the masses to make money.

 

[jhurkot]

Not necessarily if other factors are also at play such as increased clouds that has been proven to provide a cooling effect. As more water from our oceans gets evaporated due to initial warmer temperature, this water vapor can hold more heat but the ground below is cooled which reverses the warming trend. It is a self balancing phenomenon and if it did not work this way the earth's temperature would have run away long ago. This run-away temperature is seen on other planets where adequate atmosphere and water vapor is not present. In the end you have a perspective as a farmer that I don't have. You get to see each year how dry your soil is. I know that there have been a few tough years down in southern Alberta but the cycle is reversing. 2018 was cooler than the high of 2016 and this year looks like it will be even cooler still. How is your moisture content in the soil now?

We have been pretty dry the last 4 years. But the 10 years prior to that were quite wet. Last year we had a day that was 43 degrees.
So you think clouds are the reason for temperature anomalies rather than co2 ppm?