Possible closure for Revy

[Teth-Air]

Found the culprit, and all along I thought it was a Greenie riding down there to make us all look bad.

 

[moyiesledhead]

now we know why less than half of them survive transplant

Half? They wish! That was one of the 20 transplants to the South Purcells in 2012. ZERO were still alive by 2014.

 

[Teth-Air]

We actually saw some last time we rode in Revy. They were not in a closure area.

 

[Teth-Air]

Half? They wish! That was one of the 20 transplants to the South Purcells in 2012. ZERO were still alive by 2014.

I heard that in the end the average cost was $200,000 per head and they all died. Not one death was from a sledder I'm told???

 

[Bnorth]

We actually saw some last time we rode in Revy. They were not in a closure area.

It will be now, keep this chit to yourself.

 

[moyiesledhead]

I heard that in the end the average cost was $200,000 per head and they all died. Not one death was from a sledder I'm told???

Not one of them died in what's considered Mountain Caribou habitat either. They transplanted Woodland Caribou into the mountains and they immediatly fawked off to the valley bottom to find the grass they were used to eating......then they became cat food. Wolves got a few, but it was mostly Cougars.

Here's where they were in mid April, 2 weeks after they kicked them out of the chopper in the mountains.

 

[frock]

Just received this response from our Ministry of Forests, Lands and Natural Resources. I sent them a letter after reading this thread:

Ref: 221451

Dear Shane Frocklage:

Thank you for your e-mail of April 5, 2016 to Minister of Environment, Mary Polak, regarding concerns that the Ministry is considering new snowmobile closures in the Revelstoke area. As the Ministry of Forests, Lands and Natural Resource Operations is the agency responsible for managing public recreational access on Crown land, I have been asked to respond to your concern.

There are no current proposals to close additional areas to snowmobiling in the Revelstoke area. The Ministry is concerned about compliance with the existing voluntary closures (on Frisby Ridge in particular), and will continue to work with the local snowmobile club to address specific problem areas. Should that be unsuccessful, legal closures will be proposed. Any proposals to add or amend legal closures, established under the Wildlife Act, are reviewed by First Nations, public and stakeholders (as part of our 2 year regulation change cycle process).

I appreciate your willingness to comply with current closures, and your suggestions to deal with non-compliant snowmobilers.

Thank you for your note.

Sincerely,


Paul M. Rasmussen
Regional Executive Director
Kootenay Boundary Region





Iris Cadogan
Regional Administrative Assistant
Kootenay Boundary Region
1902 Theatre Road, Cranbrook, B.C. V1C 7G1
Phone: 250-420-2179 Fax: 250-426-1767
E-mail: Iris.Cadogan@gov.bc.ca

 

[Bnorth]

Just received this response from our Ministry of Forests, Lands and Natural Resources. I sent them a letter after reading this thread:

Ref: 221451

Dear Shane Frocklage:

Thank you for your e-mail of April 5, 2016 to Minister of Environment, Mary Polak, regarding concerns that the Ministry is considering new snowmobile closures in the Revelstoke area. As the Ministry of Forests, Lands and Natural Resource Operations is the agency responsible for managing public recreational access on Crown land, I have been asked to respond to your concern.

There are no current proposals to close additional areas to snowmobiling in the Revelstoke area. The Ministry is concerned about compliance with the existing voluntary closures (on Frisby Ridge in particular), and will continue to work with the local snowmobile club to address specific problem areas. Should that be unsuccessful, legal closures will be proposed. Any proposals to add or amend legal closures, established under the Wildlife Act, are reviewed by First Nations, public and stakeholders (as part of our 2 year regulation change cycle process).

I appreciate your willingness to comply with current closures, and your suggestions to deal with non-compliant snowmobilers.

Thank you for your note.

Sincerely,


Paul M. Rasmussen
Regional Executive Director
Kootenay Boundary Region





Iris Cadogan
Regional Administrative Assistant
Kootenay Boundary Region
1902 Theatre Road, Cranbrook, B.C. V1C 7G1
Phone: 250-420-2179 Fax: 250-426-1767
E-mail: Iris.Cadogan@gov.bc.ca

That's pretty clear. Shape up or it's getting closed.

 

[tex78]

That's pretty clear. Shape up or it's getting closed.

Might be time for some local - or sledheads of interests of Frisby, to police the closure areas and beat into closure riding bums heads it's closed

 

[Bnorth]

Might be time for some local - or sledheads of interests of Frisby, to police the closure areas and beat into closure riding bums heads it's closed

The Revy club already has a team that patrols the closure and works on education. He said they often get pretty bad attitudes in return.

 

[Eldereldo]

thinking the club is going to have to resort to taking pictures of violators, take down their plate numbers and turn the info over to the Fish Cops to issue fines in order to make some people get that it isn't up to them to decide they can ignore closures.

 

[moyiesledhead]

thinking the club is going to have to resort to taking pictures of violators, take down their plate numbers and turn the info over to the Fish Cops to issue fines in order to make some people get that it isn't up to them to decide they can ignore closures.

I believe Frisbee is a "voluntary" closure, so they can't actually be fined. Clubs do this for a very good reason, and the azzhats that just ignore them are going to ruin it for all of us. Almost all of our closures around Cranbrook are the same, and we'd like to keep them that way. Way easier to remove a voluntary closure if/when Caribou recovery fails. Go ahead.....try to get a legislated closure reversed! They'll all be legislated closures by the time these dickheads are done!

 

[LBZ]

I just don't get it. Where is the evidence that any form of snowmobiling has contributed to a drop in population of the caribou anywhere?
All I have seen is theories.

If you look at the stats most of the deaths are over the summer, or when the snow is set up to the point any predatory animal can walk and stay on top of it.

What is it going to take to get the government to understand sleds aren't the problem?

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[Bnorth]

I just don't get it. Where is the evidence that any form of snowmobiling has contributed to a drop in population of the caribou anywhere?
All I have seen is theories.

If you look at the stats most of the deaths are over the summer, or when the snow is set up to the point any predatory animal can walk and stay on top of it.

What is it going to take to get the government to understand sleds aren't the problem?

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The government doesn't care if they're the problem or not. It is all political as the closures benefit heli-ski operators and keep the greenies happy.

 

[d8grandpa]

I just don't get it. Where is the evidence that any form of snowmobiling has contributed to a drop in population of the caribou anywhere?
All I have seen is theories.

If you look at the stats most of the deaths are over the summer, or when the snow is set up to the point any predatory animal can walk and stay on top of it.

What is it going to take to get the government to understand sleds aren't the problem?

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I get what you are saying, and agree. But it's not when is the government going to get it figured out, it's when is the sledding community going to get it figured out. The government has had it figured out for quite awhile. They know where the grease comes from.

 

[LBZ]

I'm not sure they do. I'd be willing to bet sledding brings more tourist revenue among other revenue than heli does. I'm surprised they don't see it.

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[ippielb]

Those snowboards/skis don't take much fuel, granola and dope doesn't get the government much tax money.

Every day a sledder is going to burn at least $20 in gas, add fuel for truck, food/drinks, then hotel.... Not to mention that's for every sled.

 

[pano-dude]

Heli ski customers pay over $1000 a day to play.
Its a bigger political thing than heli ops. It's a way for the enviro groups to secure a corridor from yukon to yellowstone.

 

[moyiesledhead]

It's a way for the enviro groups to secure a corridor from yukon to yellowstone.

Absolutely correct Darcy. It was never about Caribou. They're just a "species of convenience".

And really....government is shouldering too much blame for this. If you compare what we still have through clubs working with government to what the Caribou science team recommended (and still does) for total closure you'll see that this government is not green. In fact most of them just wish Caribou would go away so the issue would die. They are a government though, and in the end it's about getting re-elected. We all know our provincial government is elected in the lower mainland by city people that just believe the green hype and have no idea how, where, why Caribou live and die. Our politicians walk a fine line, and many of them have been very helpfull to us as motorized users. Azzhats that violate the closures just give the greens more ammunition. Can't win a war if you're out gunned, and it's just dumb to turn your gun on your own army.

 

[LBZ]

Heli ski customers pay over $1000 a day to play.
Its a bigger political thing than heli ops. It's a way for the enviro groups to secure a corridor from yukon to yellowstone.

They might pay $1000 a day, but very little leaves the resort they stay at. Same with the ski hill people. Anyone who has taken their family to a mountain knows how expensive it is. Very little gets spread around the local businesses after.