Sold The XP Time for a Pro..

[maxwell]

You are always good for a laugh thats for sure, no one that has any REAL seat time on a PRO believes one word that comes out of your doo loving mouth give it up already.

I have many hours seat time on a pro-rmk. Therefor my opinion is valid. Thanks for coming out.

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[maxwell]

So to the original question -

What will you notice? Quite a bit. In all honesty, if you don't know what you are going to notice is different it leads me to believe you have never ridden one. That in itself is a mistake. How do you even know you will like how it feels?

But hey its your money, neither I or anyone can tell you what to do with it. So, what were the flaws in the XP that make you want to go to a Pro chassis? Obviously you have read that its flickability is second to none, so right there will be a big difference.

Lets get serious though...

A Pro chassis RMK is a completely different sled than a 08 XP Summit. I almost went for it in 2011. I am so glad I didn't. Its not a sled I like riding. I have never felt comfortable on one. So for me what I don't like:

- the Pro taper bars are too wide for a sled
- the vertical steering is akward because I am used to a Doo
- the running boards are too narrow and fill up with snow quickly leaving you no where to stand
- they don't have a tether which I think is a great safety
- they idle very high, or atleast everyone I have ridden is like 1800-1900 rpm
- none of them seam to have a reverse beep, silly I know, but the little light is barely noticeable, or is that just the ones I have ridden?
- the side panels open up weird and the little screws are a pain
- its ugly

now the middle ground:

- they give up a few ponies but seem to make good use of the power they have
- the 15" wide track is okay, what it gives up in flotation is made up elsewhere
- its light weight...honestly on the snow I still can't notice a huge difference. Its not like I am bench pressing it.

and the good:

- they pop up on the snow well from a standstill
- the price point is better
- fuel economy seems to be slightly better than the etec, but who cares
- the stock skis are a better ski than Doo's DS skis


This is all based on current Pro's and current XP's. the real test I think will be next year comparing a 2013 Pro RMK to a 2013 Summit XM.

You think the pro has better fuel economy than the etec? Have not noticed that whatsoever?


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[cs5]

I have many hours seat time on a pro-rmk. Therefor my opinion is valid. Thanks for coming out.

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But you suck so it means nothing to me, Thanks for coming out.

 

[maxwell]

Roger!

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[Chrisco]

RUN THEM STOCK. ALL THE BRANDS. That is how you will know which is the best. STOCK. OUT OF THE BOX. Modding sleds is a whole different discussion. Of course the sled will be better when modded. Go stock to stock to stock and watch, you will see.

Stock to stock is cool but how about dollar for dollar. Easy to make a pro spank a etec for the same cash

 

[recguy]

Well thats part of "stock" the price too. True bragging rights are when you take it out of the dealer and don't spend a single cent other than gas and oil. The problem is most guys cant cause they need that edge. I love sledding and used to mod alot but now the sleds are awsome in stock form. If ou get beat by another stocker then hey good on ya bud, better rider maybe. I really don't think one stocker will bash another stocker as bad as some may believe. Save the money for drinks later on.
Enjoy the pow were getting boys.

 

[bell32]

Maxwell no I haven't got any seat time on a pro yet, going to get out and rent one here hopefully in before the end of the season. I appreciate all the opinions that are being put out there, and you can sure see who's loyal to whatever brand they are riding. I enjoyed my Xp I did, just looking for a change and like a few guys have said there not hard to sell if I don't like it., I've never snow checked a sled before but am looking forward to something brand new I can mod out they way I want, and price point isn't an issue but I still don't really see why there is such a gap in price with doo? I no lots of doo guys will have lots of opinion on this, but I'd personally like to sink the xtra cash into mods, cause I'd still be modding out a new doo as well.
Thanks again though guys for all the input

 

[ccherniak]

about a 1000 dollars and one visit to slp.com and youll have your 8 hp but it dont matter it is the power to rate ratio that makes all the differense, i would sooner have a lighter sled with only 8 hp diff than a doo anyday.

 

[jaredszakacs]

i'll agree with takethebounce the fuel mileage is amazing on the etecs I know cause I ride the etec but that pro-rmk is sure close to my etec on fuel! lots of boys in pincher creek riding new doos and poos and they so far have been very very close needless to say none of the guys with the new poo or doo pack fuel riding anymore like we used to. all a personnal choice I would recomend trying one before you go buy it i'm sure you will like it with some seat time. I didnt like the feel compared to my doo but thats me. are the new 13 pro's similar in price to the 13 doo's this year or are the poo's still a bit cheaper?

 

[BIGFOOT]

Hope to find out the pro price tomorrow.

 

[maxwell]

Maxwell no I haven't got any seat time on a pro yet, going to get out and rent one here hopefully in before the end of the season. I appreciate all the opinions that are being put out there, and you can sure see who's loyal to whatever brand they are riding. I enjoyed my Xp I did, just looking for a change and like a few guys have said there not hard to sell if I don't like it., I've never snow checked a sled before but am looking forward to something brand new I can mod out they way I want, and price point isn't an issue but I still don't really see why there is such a gap in price with doo? I no lots of doo guys will have lots of opinion on this, but I'd personally like to sink the xtra cash into mods, cause I'd still be modding out a new doo as well.
Thanks again though guys for all the input

The extra cash for the etec isn't that bad when you start talking about mods. The etec comes with 2.5" camo extreme from the factory and only 1300 to do a 3" swap. When your talking about a pro-rmk you now need a new track right from the factory. 1200$ now your close to the price of an etec. Then add another 1000 to get that 8hp back. Then you want to try a 3" well there goes another 2000$ for a chaincase. The better sled out of the box is going to be more money. And that goes to doo. Yes the rmk is a good sled out of the box but it needs mods right away.

You may think I'm biased but the title of your thread was what am I going to notice going from an xp to a pro? Well I've spent all my days on an xp and a few on the pro. So guess what? Those are the first things I noticed. The rest of the people on this thread are polaris trolls who have never ridden an xp for more than 30 seconds. The opinions of takethebounce, jared, etc are the opinions your looking for. Guys who have seat tiime on the pro but are used to the xp like yourself. Anyways. When you get your sled next fall bring this thread back to life and let us know what you find.

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[etecheaven]

one day im gonna have enough of this bs and buy both sleds current, stock for stock. Im gonna compare them with several guys and post. Then im gonna drop 2 grand on each for mods that have been proven to increase the most. Same thing compare the sleds and post with facts not opinions.

Then im gonna go outside a scream and bash my head because some idiot will find some reason to fail my tests to meet his opinion.

Cant wait for that day.


That said i cant wait for the new "fatass" xm to outclimb that new flickmynutable" pro just to prove all that extra weight actually has a purpose called reliability, traction, floation, and power.

Since when does adding weight become a bad thing when you add a 174" or a turbo, or NOS. Its called performance weight fools.

ride doo.... unless you ride a poo....either is better then bitching on here all day.

 

[maxwell]

one day im gonna have enough of this bs and buy both sleds current, stock for stock. Im gonna compare them with several guys and post. Then im gonna drop 2 grand on each for mods that have been proven to increase the most. Same thing compare the sleds and post with facts not opinions.

Then im gonna go outside a scream and bash my head because some idiot will find some reason to fail my tests to meet his opinion.

Cant wait for that day.


That said i cant wait for the new "fatass" xm to outclimb that new flickmynutable" pro just to prove all that extra weight actually has a purpose called reliability, traction, floation, and power.

Since when does adding weight become a bad thing when you add a 174" or a turbo, or NOS. Its called performance weight fools.

ride doo.... unless you ride a poo....either is better then bitching on here all day.

you bring up a good point, i talk about doing all this comparing every weekend,making videos,spreadsheets,graphs..... never happens. fact is we are all having to much fun riding whatever it is to stop and race uphills.

 

[recguy]

Just out of curiosity how much will an 2012 163 xp outclimb a 2012 163 pro rmk in the powder? Both stock out of the box. Same rider.

Love your post etecheaven. I wish that would happen soon. It would be interesting to have a true non biased comparison.

 

[High Velocity]

I guess the bottom line is you will be extremely disappointed with a pro-rmk even coming from a 2008xp. I know I was after I rode a few different ones. Thought maybe one was a lemon but nope. If you like frolicking around in the meadows it might suit ya. Anyone who says different is just trying to justify there 13000$ mistake.
Maybe when they come out with a decent track and clutch setup it might be more fun. Also needs some chassis adjustments. the running boards are way to wide at the back. Can't sidehill the thing at all.

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Hmmm, I don't know if this is humorous sarcasm, or one of the most retarded, brand-loyal posts you've ever made. I'm hoping the former, not the latter, or you're losing credibility quickly (what little you had left )


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[maxwell]

Just out of curiosity how much will an 2012 163 xp outclimb a 2012 163 pro rmk in the powder? Both stock out of the box. Same rider.

did this test in 2011 with 2 stock sleds, same rider. a 2011 163 pro-rmk stock with can. and a 2011 summit x 163 with a 2.5 camo extreme ( which is now on the 2012/13) the xp consistantly blew over the top with tons of speed and the rmk was getting about 70% of the way then had to zig zag side to side before turning out about 80% up the hill. repeated this about 5 times. the owner of that sled is a member on here i hope he posts so you guys will give me some credit LOL. this was the face when you drop into the second bowl in westridge. fresh snow 1-2'. a few bumps at the bottom. maybe the rmk suspension is inferior to the doo rear skid in terms of keeping the power to the ground through the bumps. i dont know. just my findings.

 

[maxwell]

Hmmm, I don't know if this is humorous sarcasm, or one of the most retarded, brand-loyal posts you've ever made. I'm hoping the former, not the latter, or you're losing credibility quickly (what little you had left )


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im pretty concerned about it too as you can see.

 

[LennyR]

So to the original question -

What will you notice? Quite a bit. In all honesty, if you don't know what you are going to notice is different it leads me to believe you have never ridden one. That in itself is a mistake. How do you even know you will like how it feels? but these guys say the XM is totally new, how do you know you'll like it.

But hey its your money, neither I or anyone can tell you what to do with it. So, what were the flaws in the XP that make you want to go to a Pro chassis? Obviously you have read that its flickability is second to none, so right there will be a big difference.

Lets get serious though...

A Pro chassis RMK is a completely different sled than a 08 XP Summit. I almost went for it in 2011. I am so glad I didn't. Its not a sled I like riding. I have never felt comfortable on one. So for me what I don't like:

- the Pro taper bars are too wide for a sled
- the vertical steering is akward because I am used to a Doo
- the running boards are too narrow and fill up with snow quickly leaving you no where to stand
- they don't have a tether which I think is a great safety
- they idle very high, or atleast everyone I have ridden is like 1800-1900 rpm
- none of them seam to have a reverse beep, silly I know, but the little light is barely noticeable, or is that just the ones I have ridden?
- the side panels open up weird and the little screws are a pain
- its ugly
Read these comments carefully, good god, can u say trivial
now the middle ground:

- they give up a few ponies but seem to make good use of the power they have
- the 15" wide track is okay, what it gives up in flotation is made up elsewhere
- its light weight...honestly on the snow I still can't notice a huge difference. Its not like I am bench pressing it.
bench pressing or riding 50 lbs is 50 lbs man.

and the good:

- they pop up on the snow well from a standstill
- the price point is better
- fuel economy seems to be slightly better than the etec, but who cares
- the stock skis are a better ski than Doo's DS skis
The good comments are at least tangible things you'll enjoy contrived desperate objections meant to justify their opinions


This is all based on current Pro's and current XP's. the real test I think will be next year comparing a 2013 Pro RMK to a 2013 Summit XM.

I don't think he likes the Pro, theres a WHOLE lot of others who are having fun and will disagree with him, and the numbers are growing. If anyone tells you they know exactly how durable dependable and functional the new XM features are they're blowing air up yer a$$, cause the proof will be in the puddin and all we've seen is some demo sleds, we'll see how they stack up after a few thousand miles. The Pro's are proving themselves to be as dependable as the rest and just a lot more fun. The other thing to note is gotta make you wonder why there are these same few guys trolling all the different 4m's shouting from the rooftops that there ain't no way there could ever be a sled as good as the one they chose, don't eat that crap, thats ego talking. The Doo is a great sled, Cats making great improvements and should be a consideration, but these guys ranting that their Doo is so superior are talking out of something other than their mouth. Pay attention, it'll become pretty obvious that theres 3 viable choices, none of them really wrong. Good luck

 

[etecheaven]

did this test in 2011 with 2 stock sleds, same rider. a 2011 163 pro-rmk stock with can. and a 2011 summit x 163 with a 2.5 camo extreme ( which is now on the 2012/13) the xp consistantly blew over the top with tons of speed and the rmk was getting about 70% of the way then had to zig zag side to side before turning out about 80% up the hill. repeated this about 5 times. the owner of that sled is a member on here i hope he posts so you guys will give me some credit LOL. this was the face when you drop into the second bowl in westridge. fresh snow 1-2'. a few bumps at the bottom. maybe the rmk suspension is inferior to the doo rear skid in terms of keeping the power to the ground through the bumps. i dont know. just my findings.

i wonder if the 13-14 pounds the pro lost and the few pounds the xm gained will even these 2 out for 2013. hmmmmm

 

[recguy]

Thanks for the info maxwell. They weren't quite stock tho, close but not quite. Was the clutching bone stock out of the box on both? I wonder why anyone buys a polaris when apparently the Bomby smashes it consistently. Is this what everyone else is finding too?
Seems like BRP is the obvious choice.