Trail question

[Kaz Dog]

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I hate calling names, but #@%&^, look further into the regulations and you will find this, dated May 2017 (which has not changed for years!):

 

[skegpro]

I hate calling names, but #@%&^, look further into the regulations and you will find this, dated May 2017 (which has not changed for years!):

And?
Still no defintion as to what's constitutes a snow vechile.
Am I missing something dog?

 

[Kaz Dog]

"nothing definitive that states an wheeled OHV converted to a tracked machine aka snow vechile isn't allowed on the trail."

What is definitive is that there are "OHV's" and "Snow Vehicles" separately listed in the Kananaskis Country Regulations. OHV's are allowed in some areas, including if you put tracks on them, and only snowmobiles are allowed on certain trails.

http://aep.alberta.ca/recreation-public-use/recreation-on-public-land/public-land-use-zones/documents/KananaskisPLUZ-BrochureMap-May2017.pdf

Not all "Pubic Land" is the same - know before you go.

 

[Kaz Dog]

And?
Still no defintion as to what's constitutes a snow vechile.
Am I missing something dog?
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Yes you are. There is a table for OHV's and Snow Vehicles listing which areas each may access, at which time of year, in the document - look harder.

 

[skegpro]

"nothing definitive that states an wheeled OHV converted to a tracked machine aka snow vechile isn't allowed on the trail."

What is definitive is that there are "OHV's" and "Snowmobilies" separately listed in the Kananaskis Country Regulations. OHV's are allowed in some areas, including if you put tracks on them, and only snowmobiles are allowed in other areas.

http://aep.alberta.ca/recreation-public-use/recreation-on-public-land/public-land-use-zones/documents/KananaskisPLUZ-BrochureMap-May2017.pdf

Not all "Pubic Land" is the same - know before you go.

Snowmobiles are considered OHV according to public registries.........

 

[skegpro]

Yes you are. There is a table for OHV's and Snowmoibles listing which areas each may access, at which time of year, in the document - look harder.

Ah good catch, I missed this.
But still says snow vehicle.

 

[skegpro]

"nothing definitive that states an wheeled OHV converted to a tracked machine aka snow vechile isn't allowed on the trail."

What is definitive is that there are "OHV's" and "Snowmobilies" separately listed in the Kananaskis Country Regulations. OHV's are allowed in some areas, including if you put tracks on them, and only snowmobiles are allowed in other areas.

http://aep.alberta.ca/recreation-public-use/recreation-on-public-land/public-land-use-zones/documents/KananaskisPLUZ-BrochureMap-May2017.pdf

Not all "Pubic Land" is the same - know before you go.

So what would I be charged with if I showed up with a sxs with tracks?

 

[Kaz Dog]

Yes you are. There is a table for OHV's and Snowmoibles listing which areas each may access, at which time of year, in the document - look harder.

I'll help:

Government of Alberta Ministry of Transportation: Off-Highway ...

... utility terrain vehicles; miniature motor vehicles; amphibious vehicles; snow vehicles, including snowmobiles and snow bikes. Exemptions. ... [SIZE=-1]www.transportation.alberta.ca/ohv_helmets.htm[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] - 19k[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] - 2017-10-13[/SIZE]

More specifically:

Helmets are required for anyone driving, operating, riding in or on, or being towed by, an OHV. An OHV is any motorized vehicle built for cross-country travel, including:

• dirt bikes, motorcycles, mini-bikes and related 2-wheel vehicles
• all-terrain vehicles (ATVs)
• utility terrain vehicles
• miniature motor vehicles
• amphibious vehicles
• snow vehicles, including snowmobiles and snow bikes

 

[skegpro]

I'll help:

Government of Alberta Ministry of Transportation: Off-Highway ...

... utility terrain vehicles; miniature motor vehicles; amphibious vehicles; snow vehicles, including snowmobiles and snow bikes. Exemptions. ... [SIZE=-1]www.transportation.alberta.ca/ohv_helmets.htm[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] - 19k[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] - 2017-10-13[/SIZE]

A helmet requirement table?

 

[Kaz Dog]

So what would I be charged with if I showed up with a sxs with tracks?

Operating an OHV on a designated Snowmobile Trail -it is all in the regulations in the document provided above, all you have to do is read the ENTIRE document to understand it, not cherry pick parts.

 

[Kaz Dog]

A helmet requirement table?

Look closer

 

[Kaz Dog]

Snowmobiles are considered OHV according to public registries.........

Actually, they are considered Snowmobiles, on my registration.

 

[skegpro]

I'll help:

Government of Alberta Ministry of Transportation: Off-Highway ...

... utility terrain vehicles; miniature motor vehicles; amphibious vehicles; snow vehicles, including snowmobiles and snow bikes. Exemptions. ... [SIZE=-1]www.transportation.alberta.ca/ohv_helmets.htm[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] - 19k[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] - 2017-10-13[/SIZE]

More specifically:

Helmets are required for anyone driving, operating, riding in or on, or being towed by, an OHV. An OHV is any motorized vehicle built for cross-country travel, including:

• dirt bikes, motorcycles, mini-bikes and related 2-wheel vehicles
• all-terrain vehicles (ATVs)
• utility terrain vehicles
• miniature motor vehicles
• amphibious vehicles
• snow vehicles, including snowmobiles and snow bikes

Says "Snow Vechiles, including snowmobiles and Snowbikes."

Snow vechile could also mean my piston bully or my argo.........

 

[skegpro]

Look closer

You know how to attach a picture?
I don't know what you are looking at and your one link doesn't work and the end is truncated.

 

[skegpro]

This?

 

[Kaz Dog]

Ah good catch, I missed this.
But still says snow vehicle.
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Right here in your post - read the PLAR - the definition of a snow vehicle is there - a vehicle that can not be operated on anything else other than snow. An OHV with tracks was designed, and can, operate on muskeg, mud, dirt, and snow - but not exclusively snow.

 

[skegpro]

Right here in your post - read the PLAR - the definition of a snow vehicle is there - a vehicle that can not be operated on anything else other than snow. An OHV with tracks was designed, and can, operate on muskeg, mud, dirt, and snow - but not exclusively snow.

That's a stretch.
I have ridden my sled on dirt for several km to get to snow.

My interpretation of this is that a bunch of Calgary club members don't really want anything on that trail besides a sled or a snowbike. Which is fine, but don't hide behind some government regulations that don't exist.

 

[skegpro]

Whats to say my sxs with tracks isn't a snow vechile?

Show me that and prove you aren't full of ****?

 

[skegpro]

I'll help:

Government of Alberta Ministry of Transportation: Off-Highway ...

... utility terrain vehicles; miniature motor vehicles; amphibious vehicles; snow vehicles, including snowmobiles and snow bikes. Exemptions. ... [SIZE=-1]www.transportation.alberta.ca/ohv_helmets.htm[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] - 19k[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] - 2017-10-13[/SIZE]

More specifically:

Helmets are required for anyone driving, operating, riding in or on, or being towed by, an OHV. An OHV is any motorized vehicle built for cross-country travel, including:

• dirt bikes, motorcycles, mini-bikes and related 2-wheel vehicles
• all-terrain vehicles (ATVs)
• utility terrain vehicles
• miniature motor vehicles
• amphibious vehicles
• snow vehicles, including snowmobiles and snow bikes

That's Snow vechiles comma snowmobiles and snowbikes.

For us with k-12 that means......

Snow vehicles (pause) including snowmobiles and snowbikes.

And that's a helemts bill.......
Stretch.

 

[skegpro]

Dig deeper kaz dog.
Come up with something substantial a lawyer couldn't pick apart.