ABMax24
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They did, both Nordstream 1 and 2 were blown up.
Putin Runs Again
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They did, both Nordstream 1 and 2 were blown up.
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snopro
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Yeah I’m sure there are a lot of peeps that join the armed forces in all countries to get a career and get paid to do it and then have to go to war and say, “I didn’t sign up for this!” It’s like Joe Rogan said. If the US had to go to war who would fight the war? With all the fairy’s and liberal softies out there it would be only people in the south of the country that would sign up to fight. He’s not wrong.
pano-dude
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Don't know, I have better things to do than follow eastern Europe politics.
Maybe because the west was pushing east?
Was there not an agreement with NATO and Russia and NATO didn't stay in their lane?
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snopro
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You could argue that because Ukraine wanted to join NATO that Russia felt threatened but originally Putin said he was saving the eastern part from Ukraine as they were more loyal to the motherland. He definitely was the one that overstepped his boundaries though and here we are.
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snopro
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Like I said I think he wasn’t counting on the world to support Ukraine like they have. Now he created a lot of problems for his ideology as countries in the region are lined up to join NATO. Hopefully he doesn’t flip out and actually follow up on his threats to go nuclear as a last stand. He isn’t winning the war and he isn’t losing it. Surprisingly the world has found out without a nukes Russia is a bit of a pushover. Their reputation showed they would plow over Ukraine just as fast as the US did to Iraq in the Gulf War. That didn’t happen.
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people always bring up a supposed agreement but if it were official, where's the paperwork? what evidence has russia provided?
like i said, if ukrainians wanted to be part of russia, they would be. it's a sovereign nation that was invaded so the people are fighting back, simple.
X-it
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Learning the difference between Ukraine and Crimea is the first step, then understanding what happened in 2014 and how the usa lead coup toppled the Ukrainian president. The following is Bing AI's words not mine. I bet putin is right again just like he said the USA was most likely behind the pipeline explosion.
- Russian President Vladimir Putin has accused the U.S. of orchestrating a “coup” in Ukraine. According to Putin, the 2014 uprising that led to the ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych was a result of U.S. involvement, supported by European allies2.
- In 2014, following the toppling of the Ukrainian president, Russia annexed Crimea. This move was met with international controversy.
- Crimea existed as a semi-autonomous region of Ukraine, with cultural ties to Moscow but political bonds to Kyiv.
pano-dude
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He probably would have if the US didn't back up Ukraine.
Was there a winner overall after all the years of war in the middle east? I don't think so, maybe only the military arms manufacturers and now the Taliban with lots of military equipment from the US.
jcjc1
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looks like the nato promise to not expand was a myth/revisionist history
hls.harvard.edu
‘There was no promise not to enlarge NATO’ - Harvard Law School
Robert Zoellick, the U.S. diplomat who helped negotiate the end of the Cold War, says Vladimir Putin’s claims about Ukraine are part of a disinformation campaign.
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X-it
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Haha.. lets change that to ... it is not in writing ...Never trust the USA on a hand shake.looks like the nato promise to not expand was a myth/revisionist history
‘There was no promise not to enlarge NATO’ - Harvard Law School
Robert Zoellick, the U.S. diplomat who helped negotiate the end of the Cold War, says Vladimir Putin’s claims about Ukraine are part of a disinformation campaign.
jcjc1
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of course putin says the us orchestrated a coup and the us blew up the pipeline which may be true but putin is not exactly an unbiased participant so his take on things is very suspect.
jcjc1
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let's change that to "never trust any country on a handshake" russia was stupid to not get that as an official document-if this was even discussed which the article mentions nato expansion was not an issue.
so either russia relied on a simple handshake regarding something of huge significance which i find hard to believe or the whole thing is revisionist history which is rampant these days.
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X-it
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No he said the US was the most likely country to have blown up the pipeline based on the complexity of the job.
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russia also has that ability. coulda been a false flag, they've done that before. i don't know how many other countries have that ability as well but i'd suspect all the major military powers do..
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from the above article regarding nato expansion:
When President George H.W. Bush sat down with Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev to negotiate the peaceful end of the Cold War and the reunification of Germany, former Under Secretary of State Robert Zoellick ’81 was in the room where it happened.
During the 1990 summit, Zoellick says President Gorbachev accepted the idea of German unification within the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, based on the principle that every country should freely choose its own alliances.
“I was in those meetings, and Gorbachev has [also] said there was no promise not to enlarge NATO,” Zoellick recalls. Soviet Foreign Minister, Eduard Shevardnadze, later president of Georgia, concurred, he says. Nor does the treaty on Germany’s unification include a limit on NATO enlargement. Those facts have undermined one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s justifications for invading Ukraine — that the United States had agreed that former Warsaw Pact nations would never become part of the North Atlantic security alliance.
When President George H.W. Bush sat down with Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev to negotiate the peaceful end of the Cold War and the reunification of Germany, former Under Secretary of State Robert Zoellick ’81 was in the room where it happened.
During the 1990 summit, Zoellick says President Gorbachev accepted the idea of German unification within the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, based on the principle that every country should freely choose its own alliances.
“I was in those meetings, and Gorbachev has [also] said there was no promise not to enlarge NATO,” Zoellick recalls. Soviet Foreign Minister, Eduard Shevardnadze, later president of Georgia, concurred, he says. Nor does the treaty on Germany’s unification include a limit on NATO enlargement. Those facts have undermined one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s justifications for invading Ukraine — that the United States had agreed that former Warsaw Pact nations would never become part of the North Atlantic security alliance.
pano-dude
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if it takes a bribe such as an education or career to join the military are people actually wanting to fight?
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snopro
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We saw mass sign ups in the US Military after 9-11. Chris Kyle was one high profile person that sticks out. I’d have to assume when the US declared war that people joining aren’t looking for a career other than to fight.
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