and I voted for this party???

[eclipse1966]

So if I dont support this I am in favour of child porn. Yeah right! Our rights are getting squeezed more than we know while they use this fear mongering style tactics to get their way. What a load of crap!!!



Proposed bill for expanded surveillance tabled in Commons

 

[Bnorth]

Total BS. What an ignorant prick to try to cover the real motive under the veil of child pornography. This is a blatant violation of our rights. What's next are they going to start censoring our mail too? Maybe tapping all our phones?

 

[eclipse1966]

kind of like the famous GW Bush speech saying if you dont support the war in Iraq then we are against them. Come to think of it looks like Harper took this tactic from him as I remember right he was embarrassed as a Canadian for not being their for our friends. Say what you want about the Libs but that was the best decision this country took.

 

[lloydguy]

What did the bush admin.vote in ?Was it called the freedom act?It gives the Gov and all parts of it the right
to spy on anyone they want at any time for any reason, and to hold anyone they want for any amount of
time without pressing charges or haveing proof of any wrong doing.It's a very slippery slope.

 

[eclipse1966]

What did the bush admin.vote in ?Was it called the freedom act?It gives the Gov and all parts of it the right
to spy on anyone they want at any time for any reason, and to hold anyone they want for any amount of
time without pressing charges or haveing proof of any wrong doing.It's a very slippery slope.

How are the Conservatives simultaneously able to claim the long gun registry as an unjustifiable intrusion by the state and warrantless monitoring of internet usage as a reasonable use of police authority? Looks like they they kept their reform party agenda to themselves during those minority governments but when the people began to trust them and finally let them have a majority out comes the nut-bar stuff like internet surveilance on everyone. These guys might end up being a 'one term wonder' !

 

[Bogger]

Fawk.... now even the government is gonna know I'm an azzhole.....

 

[Cyle]

What a load of crap. If they have enough reason to need the information they can get it. If they pass this, they will just get it because they want it. Unless it's criminal activity it's our OWN business what we do with our internet. I won't go as far as saying the liebrals are better, they aren't much worse though, but harper hasn't had much time to screw everything up yet. Harper needs a swift kick to the balls for trying to pass this garbage. O no if he gets his way (which he likely will) he will be able to read this and know who it is!

If this passes, I bet you'll see a nice spike in stealing of wireless, and people logging on untraceable and outsmarting the gov't at their own game.....Besides for stealing the internet i'm all for it.

Anyway to tell the gov't to go fawk themselves is fine by me.

 

[S.W.A.T.]

He won't get away with it. Very surprised its being purposed.

Maybe I shouldn't be typing this, are they watching me. My phone has a odd tick, who's van is that parked across the street and why have all my naighbours bought dark late modle crown vic's?

 

[Snowdin]

A Bill to help catch child porn creeps and perverted fawed up predators of 14 year old boys and girls. What's the problem here? I really doubt the government give two shits about what you guys are saying in this forum. It's all about catching nasty people trying to fawed up the minds of innocent children.

 

[kbrunlees]

Ah but you see it is more than that. If they were serious about child porn they would be putting more resources into catching the unwanted parasites. This has been their agenda all along, that is to tell you what is good for you. The Reform platform was always been there under sheeps clothing. But, the carefully applied duct tape is starting to come off and the wingnuts are starting to talk, should be fun to watch as Harper's caefully crafted bag o' shite is exposed!

 

[dzignr]

A Bill to help catch child porn creeps and perverted fawed up predators of 14 year old boys and girls. What's the problem here? I really doubt the government give two shits about what you guys are saying in this forum. It's all about catching nasty people trying to fawed up the minds of innocent children.

As mentioned earlier, if one of these predators wishes to continue, they can find a number of methods to bypass this new scenario. It does nothing to prevent what it is suggested it is intended to prevent. Bottom line is our rights and freedoms are being eroded cm by cm. By the time most folks realize what has happened, it might be too late to turn back the clock. Personally, the statement suggesting that either we are for the law or for the predators is evil.

 

[eclipse1966]

here I thought we have it bad with the new "proposed" bills but looks like our friends down south have a bigger issue on hand. Federal Reserve "loaning" big banks 16 trillion dollars. OMFG! No wonder the average Joe is going down.



The first ever GAO(Government Accountability Office) audit of the Federal Reserve was carried out in the past few months due to the Ron Paul, Alan Grayson Amendment to the Dodd-Frank bill, which passed last year. Jim DeMint, a Republican Senator, and Bernie Sanders, an independent Senator, led the charge for a Federal Reserve audit in the Senate, but watered down the original language of the house bill (HR1207), so that a complete audit would not be carried out. Ben Bernanke(pictured to the right), Alan Greenspan, and various other bankers vehemently opposed the audit and lied to Congress about the effects an audit would have on markets. Nevertheless, the results of the first audit in the Federal Reserve’s nearly 100 year history were posted on Senator Sander's webpage earlier.

The Fed Audit - Newsroom: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

What was revealed in the audit was startling:

$16,000,000,000,000.00 had been secretly given out to US banks and corporations and foreign banks everywhere from France to Scotland. From the period between December 2007 and June 2010, the Federal Reserve had secretly bailed out many of the world’s banks, corporations, and governments. The Federal Reserve likes to refer to these secret bailouts as an all-inclusive loan program, but virtually none of the money has been returned and it was loaned out at 0% interest. Why the Federal Reserve had never been public about this or even informed the United States Congress about the $16 trillion dollar bailout is obvious - the American public would have been outraged to find out that the Federal Reserve bailed out foreign banks while Americans were struggling to find jobs.

To place $16 trillion into perspective, remember that GDP of the United States is only $14.12 trillion. The entire national debt of the United States government spanning its 200+ year history is "only" $14.5 trillion. The budget that is being debated so heavily in Congress and the Senate is "only" $3.5 trillion. Take all of the outrage and debate over the $1.5 trillion deficit into consideration, and swallow this Red pill: There was no debate about whether $16,000,000,000,000 would be given to failing banks and failing corporations around the world. In late 2008, the TARP Bailout bill was passed and loans of $800 billion were given to failing banks and companies. That was a blatant lie considering the fact that Goldman Sachs alone received 814 billion dollars. As is turns out, the Federal Reserve donated $2.5 trillion to Citigroup, while Morgan Stanley received $2.04 trillion. The Royal Bank of Scotland and Deutsche Bank, a German bank, split about a trillion and numerous other banks received hefty chunks of the $16 trillion.

"This is a clear case of socialism for the rich and rugged, you’re-on-your-own individualism for everyone else." - Bernie Sanders


When you have conservative Republican stalwarts like Jim DeMint(R-SC) and Ron Paul(R-TX) as well as self identified Democratic socialists like Bernie Sanders all fighting against the Federal Reserve, you know that it is no longer an issue of Right versus Left. When you have every single member of the Republican Party in Congress and progressive Congressmen like Dennis Kucinich sponsoring a bill to audit the Federal Reserve, you realize that the Federal Reserve is an entity onto itself, which has no oversight and no accountability.


Americans should be swelled with anger and outrage at the abysmal state of affairs when an unelected group of bankers can create money out of thin air and give it out to megabanks and supercorporations like Halloween candy. If the Federal Reserve and the bankers who control it believe that they can continue to devalue the savings of Americans and continue to destroy the US economy, they will have to face the realization that their trillion dollar printing presses will eventually plunder the world economy.

The list of institutions that received the most money from the Federal Reserve can be found on page 131 of the GAO Audit and are as follows..

Citigroup: $2.5 trillion ($2,500,000,000,000)
Morgan Stanley: $2.04 trillion ($2,040,000,000,000)
Merrill Lynch: $1.949 trillion ($1,949,000,000,000)
Bank of America: $1.344 trillion ($1,344,000,000,000)
Barclays PLC (United Kingdom): $868 billion ($868,000,000,000)
Bear Sterns: $853 billion ($853,000,000,000)
Goldman Sachs: $814 billion ($814,000,000,000)
Royal Bank of Scotland (UK): $541 billion ($541,000,000,000)
JP Morgan Chase: $391 billion ($391,000,000,000)
Deutsche Bank (Germany): $354 billion ($354,000,000,000)
UBS (Switzerland): $287 billion ($287,000,000,000)
Credit Suisse (Switzerland): $262 billion ($262,000,000,000)
Lehman Brothers: $183 billion ($183,000,000,000)
Bank of Scotland (United Kingdom): $181 billion ($181,000,000,000)
BNP Paribas (France): $175 billion ($175,000,000,000)
and many many more including banks in Belgium of all places

 

[Summiteer]

Ssssshhhhhhhh.......Just drink the kool-aid, everything is going to be just fine......It's all Trudeau's fault...sshhhh....go to sleep.........

 

[Snowdin]

Ssssshhhhhhhh.......Just drink the kool-aid, everything is going to be just fine......It's all Trudeau's fault...sshhhh....go to sleep.........

Dude you nailed it right there.

 

[S.W.A.T.]

I think the correct term is "democraticly elected comunism" or something like that

 

[S.W.A.T.]

here I thought we have it bad with the new "proposed" bills but looks like our friends down south have a bigger issue on hand. Federal Reserve "loaning" big banks 16 trillion dollars. OMFG! No wonder the average Joe is going down.



The first ever GAO(Government Accountability Office) audit of the Federal Reserve was carried out in the past few months due to the Ron Paul, Alan Grayson Amendment to the Dodd-Frank bill, which passed last year. Jim DeMint, a Republican Senator, and Bernie Sanders, an independent Senator, led the charge for a Federal Reserve audit in the Senate, but watered down the original language of the house bill (HR1207), so that a complete audit would not be carried out. Ben Bernanke(pictured to the right), Alan Greenspan, and various other bankers vehemently opposed the audit and lied to Congress about the effects an audit would have on markets. Nevertheless, the results of the first audit in the Federal Reserve’s nearly 100 year history were posted on Senator Sander's webpage earlier.

The Fed Audit - Newsroom: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

What was revealed in the audit was startling:

$16,000,000,000,000.00 had been secretly given out to US banks and corporations and foreign banks everywhere from France to Scotland. From the period between December 2007 and June 2010, the Federal Reserve had secretly bailed out many of the world’s banks, corporations, and governments. The Federal Reserve likes to refer to these secret bailouts as an all-inclusive loan program, but virtually none of the money has been returned and it was loaned out at 0% interest. Why the Federal Reserve had never been public about this or even informed the United States Congress about the $16 trillion dollar bailout is obvious - the American public would have been outraged to find out that the Federal Reserve bailed out foreign banks while Americans were struggling to find jobs.

To place $16 trillion into perspective, remember that GDP of the United States is only $14.12 trillion. The entire national debt of the United States government spanning its 200+ year history is "only" $14.5 trillion. The budget that is being debated so heavily in Congress and the Senate is "only" $3.5 trillion. Take all of the outrage and debate over the $1.5 trillion deficit into consideration, and swallow this Red pill: There was no debate about whether $16,000,000,000,000 would be given to failing banks and failing corporations around the world. In late 2008, the TARP Bailout bill was passed and loans of $800 billion were given to failing banks and companies. That was a blatant lie considering the fact that Goldman Sachs alone received 814 billion dollars. As is turns out, the Federal Reserve donated $2.5 trillion to Citigroup, while Morgan Stanley received $2.04 trillion. The Royal Bank of Scotland and Deutsche Bank, a German bank, split about a trillion and numerous other banks received hefty chunks of the $16 trillion.

"This is a clear case of socialism for the rich and rugged, you’re-on-your-own individualism for everyone else." - Bernie Sanders


When you have conservative Republican stalwarts like Jim DeMint(R-SC) and Ron Paul(R-TX) as well as self identified Democratic socialists like Bernie Sanders all fighting against the Federal Reserve, you know that it is no longer an issue of Right versus Left. When you have every single member of the Republican Party in Congress and progressive Congressmen like Dennis Kucinich sponsoring a bill to audit the Federal Reserve, you realize that the Federal Reserve is an entity onto itself, which has no oversight and no accountability.


Americans should be swelled with anger and outrage at the abysmal state of affairs when an unelected group of bankers can create money out of thin air and give it out to megabanks and supercorporations like Halloween candy. If the Federal Reserve and the bankers who control it believe that they can continue to devalue the savings of Americans and continue to destroy the US economy, they will have to face the realization that their trillion dollar printing presses will eventually plunder the world economy.

The list of institutions that received the most money from the Federal Reserve can be found on page 131 of the GAO Audit and are as follows..

Citigroup: $2.5 trillion ($2,500,000,000,000)
Morgan Stanley: $2.04 trillion ($2,040,000,000,000)
Merrill Lynch: $1.949 trillion ($1,949,000,000,000)
Bank of America: $1.344 trillion ($1,344,000,000,000)
Barclays PLC (United Kingdom): $868 billion ($868,000,000,000)
Bear Sterns: $853 billion ($853,000,000,000)
Goldman Sachs: $814 billion ($814,000,000,000)
Royal Bank of Scotland (UK): $541 billion ($541,000,000,000)
JP Morgan Chase: $391 billion ($391,000,000,000)
Deutsche Bank (Germany): $354 billion ($354,000,000,000)
UBS (Switzerland): $287 billion ($287,000,000,000)
Credit Suisse (Switzerland): $262 billion ($262,000,000,000)
Lehman Brothers: $183 billion ($183,000,000,000)
Bank of Scotland (United Kingdom): $181 billion ($181,000,000,000)
BNP Paribas (France): $175 billion ($175,000,000,000)
and many many more including banks in Belgium of all places

There is actually nothing wrong here as the fedral reserve is privatly owned. Its not owned by the people like it is in Canada