Re:The type of people that say"oil is oil"

lloydguy · Nov 26, 2011

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I have been doing alot of reading lately about 2 stroke oil's and the standards that they are supposed to live up to.I have read thread after thread about guy's asking for advice on this topic.The thing that blows my mind the most,is most of the people that don't have the slightest clue of what they are talking about are giving their advice in thesethreads.(API,JAYCO and ISO) have not tested or passed most of the oil's that are mostly recommended on these threads.IMO.if you aren't an experienced engine builder you should read and learn before you give advice. HCS. Had a 57 page thread recently on this topic.I read it from start to finish and was amazed at all of the "haters" that ruined the whole thing.As consumers we all are pretty much clueless as to the quality of the products we are buying.I don't understand why all of these oil's are allowed to be on the shelves of retail outlets when they haven't passed anyone'stest's except the guys that made it. I need alot more education before I decide what oil's to permanently use in my 2 sleds,but alot of advice givers need alot more education as well.

pistonbroke800 · Nov 26, 2011

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You should contact Salbendidi on the site here. He knows everything about oil and more than anyone else. He even hates BRP oil so much he sold his XP and bought a Polaris sled.

X-it · Nov 26, 2011

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Ha ha i have a ski-doo and have never run their oil in it, and yes that was a great 52 page read on oils on hcs. It went all to hell when the chemist left and the whinny little bitches started in.

gibsons · Nov 26, 2011

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i read that as well. lots of good info, and pretty much on every type of oil.

lloydguy · Nov 26, 2011

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The first thing just about every jug of oil say's on it is this product meets or exceeds TCW3 requirements.I'm thinking to myself.WTF? Are you joking?TWC3 was a 2 stroke oil requirement for outboard motors in the mid 90's (from what I've learned so far)There are many company's that claim their product is the best there is,and it exceeds JAYCO FB standards.Again I say WOW,are you serious.JAYCO FB is one of the lowest standards there is.JAYCO FC and FD are higher standards and almost no-one mentions them,because their product didn't pass.What we the public must understand is that every time we buy a product we are in a way casting a vote.Company's that sell products that don't pass ISO-L-EGD or JAYCO-FD should not be "voted" for. In a better world nothing should be on anyone's shelf available for sale unless it passed the above standards.

lloydguy · Nov 26, 2011

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Untill I started investigating ,I had no idea that TCW3 wasn't a standard that snowmobile oil had to pass.Every bottle of oil talks about TCW3.That is REALLY misleading .We are all paying big money for sub-standard oil's,and 99% of us have no idea.I'm glad I've learned a few things about 2 stroke oil in the last week or so,but i'm VERY disturbed that almost every oilI can find doesn't have a JAYCO,Iso or API rating.

old mountain man · Nov 26, 2011

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lloydguy said:
The first thing just about every jug of oil say's on it is this product meets or exceeds TCW3 requirements.I'm thinking to myself.WTF? Are you joking?TWC3 was a 2 stroke oil requirement for outboard motors in the mid 90's (from what I've learned so far)There are many company's that claim their product is the best there is,and it exceeds JAYCO FB standards.Again I say WOW,are you serious.JAYCO FB is one of the lowest standards there is.JAYCO FC and FD are higher standards and almost no-one mentions them,because their product didn't pass.What we the public must understand is that every time we buy a product we are in a way casting a vote.Company's that sell products that don't pass ISO-L-EGD or JAYCO-FD should not be "voted" for. In a better world nothing should be on anyone's shelf available for sale unless it passed the above standards.

Would that be Jaso-FD? I notice the Shell Advance Snow Ultra oil on sale at Canadian Tire exceeds API-TC, ISO-EGD and Jaso-FD. Some of the toughest requirements out there. Too bad B.R.P. does not list a spec.requirement!

salbendidi · Nov 26, 2011

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i spent an entire night digging around on the net. i dont use what oil i think is cool anymore. i use the best rated oil. bang for ur buck shell is the best hands down.

Trashy · Nov 26, 2011

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salbendidi said:
i spent an entire night digging around on the net. i dont use what oil i think is cool anymore. i use the best rated oil. bang for ur buck shell is the best hands down.

I'm not trying to be an azz....... But really???

salbendidi · Nov 26, 2011

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ya. what do you run and why??

Trashy · Nov 26, 2011

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salbendidi said:
ya. what do you run and why??

Polaris Gold, for my Polaris sled. I have always been a firm believer about factory oils and lubricants for factory machines. With some exceptions when you need whatever to get out.

lloydguy · Nov 26, 2011

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old mountain man said:
Would that be Jaso-FD? I notice the Shell Advance Snow Ultra oil on sale at Canadian Tire exceeds API-TC, ISO-EGD and Jaso-FD. Some of the toughest requirements out there. Too bad B.R.P. does not list a spec.requirement!

ANOTHER VERY MISSLEADING THING............They SAY it Exceeds Jaso-fd standards,but Did Jaso test it?
or are they saying according to their own tests it passed?
I'm NO expert,But to my knowledge I think they can say it does pass when it never did.

Uturn · Nov 26, 2011

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lloydguy said:
ANOTHER VERY MISSLEADING THING............They SAY it Exceeds Jaso-fd standards,but Did Jaso test it?
or are they saying according to their own tests it passed?
I'm NO expert,But to my knowledge I think they can say it does pass when it never did.

It would have to pass a test by an independant lab to make any claim publicly. Whoever sets the standard would rarely test it.

lloydguy · Nov 26, 2011

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Have a look for yourself.
http://www.jalos.or.jp/onfile/pdf/2T_EV_LIST.pdf
I could be wrong,but I didnt see Shell Advance Snow Ultra
Ipone has 11 diferent oil's from an fc-fd
Mystik has 2 with fd
Pennzoil has 2 1 fc and 1 fd
Yamaha has 34 from fc- fd
Castrol has 35 from fb- fd
I heard 2 of Legend's oils were rated 1 was fb and the other fc?I could be wrong,I cant find them on the list?
The above names are oils that I found on the jaso list that I have heard of .

X-it · Nov 27, 2011

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I use shell ultra it was approved by the chemist, good enough for me. Although his testing procedure are secret, i bet he will be taking a lot of flack from sub standard oil companies ....out to do great harm to him... too bad they where not out in the open and exposed. And now you have the answers to all these questions as to why the confusion to the ratings.

X-it · Nov 27, 2011

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I would hit the print button so you have a copy of the info that is available right now.

adamg · Nov 27, 2011

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Is there a link to this dude's results? I don't mean a link to a 60 page thread.

old mountain man · Nov 27, 2011

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lloydguy said:
ANOTHER VERY MISSLEADING THING............They SAY it Exceeds Jaso-fd standards,but Did Jaso test it?
or are they saying according to their own tests it passed?
I'm NO expert,But to my knowledge I think they can say it does pass when it never did.

Shell oil data F.Y.I.View attachment Shell.pdf

whitell · Nov 27, 2011

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adamg said:
Is there a link to this dude's results? I don't mean a link to a 60 page thread.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...DF3QVJLeDRrbExmSGhsc1FlWFdueHc&hl=en_US#gid=0

OOC ZigZag · Nov 27, 2011

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I don't know a hell of alot about oil but I doo have a bunch of great buddies that have shops and rental ops so I asked them their opinions this was the reply. Amsoil was what they have been using for along time with no issues. I get by with a little help from my friends. Thanks Al and Pete and Tim for the advice.

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