"Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near future"

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Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near futur

just talking loose here but, every other group who wants to control or subvert land for their use or beliefs, gets organized and buys or has some alloted to them....
 

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what difference does it make if a rut is 26inches deep or 30? its still a rut.........
 

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Wow, I've been away, tending to my spinach patch, and see many views and great posts. This is a hot and very real topic; it is about our Alberta riding future. Taken from a Facebook post, here is one first step in defining in Alberta what will guide the use of some of our great outdoors.
Sept, 2013
Do I agree with it?
It seems hard to argue with the environmental logic.
Is there any clear legislation in the document?
No, but there is much being said about what is right and wrong.
Is there a solution on behalf of people like us who want to enjoy the Alberta Outdoors by motorized means?
No.
Where is it?
It must come from us.
there is more: will follow
 
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Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near futur

Wow, I've been away, tending to my spinach patch, and see many views and great posts. This is a hot and very real topic; it is about our Alberta riding future. Taken from a Facebook post, here is one first step in defining in Alberta what will guide the use of some of our great outdoors.
Sept, 2013
Do I agree with it?
It seems hard to argue with the environmental logic.
Is there any clear legislation in the document?
No, but there is much being said about what is right and wrong.
Is there a solution on behalf of people like us who want to enjoy the Alberta Outdoors by motorized means?
No.
Where is it?
It must come from us.
there is more: will follow
Difference of it is these fawks get paid to sit around all day and come up with this chit. Mean while us "quaders" go to work at real jobs all week, so our taxes can pay for these parasites. If the quading community wants to pay me 150k a year I'll get to work on this right away.
 

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Here is a thought, if every member (I think in excess of 40,000) contributed $10 ea this would amount to a sizeable chunk. Although I highly doubt all would contribute...some have the means to throw a little extra as well. I've no trouble with a C- note.....
Also a good friend of mine who is an avid hunter has mentioned in discussion that likely it's the same or similar group also making noise and setting various restrictions on hunting as well. So the people/businesses with vested interest on this topic may be a great resource for exposure not to mention drop off points for us as end users could contribute monetarily to this cause. The point really is to organize perhaps this could be approached at a corporate level. As a starting point how can we organize who will grab the bull by the horns? I've no experience in these matters however one would think leadership within the various clubs could perhaps begin with a little brainstorming session, address the situation and even come up with a course of action.
Would one of the many dealers perhaps have a location in which hold/organize.
Trouble here is we few active posters as a demographic are a very very small percentage of users. Why not start with suggestions. Any body know the powers that be at Martin, Echo, Riverside? Let's face it if the restrictions are such that hours and locations for such activity are limited to the point that it's a 5+ hour drive o go for a ride many will loose interest which in turn will affect the dealers bottom line not to mention loss of jobs.
Just thinkin the dealers have an in with the mfgrs I think we need their input to maintain our "symbiotic" relationship.
Or maybe just another caffeine induced rant....
 

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K, I inadvertently made an inroad of sorts at Martin last night, David the parts manager is also into audio. He came by to pick up some cables (audio related). I did find out however that there are 17 stores and it's a group of common owners, no matter however the point being we briefly touched on this very topic. So any suggestions or better yet anybody want to come with me to help discuss and try to organize something? Just sayin it's gotta start somewhere and at least go beyond forum discussion. In a big way BRP has a vested interest in this very topic.
A little lost here as to the next course of action, I can help however somebody within the fold with considerably more knowledge on this topic would be better suited. Just guessing but I'm thinkin some sort of plan/ proposal on how to organize perhaps they can help.
 
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I wouldn't of snorkeled my bike and put huge tires on if I didnt........ Good luck going around mud holes and crossings where I ride. Its either go through or go back the way you came. People just need to stop flocking to a select few number of places to ride their quads and maybe take the time to find a less ridden area or just go explore. To go to a place where 100 other quads have been that week sounds like a fricken nightmare to me, I dont need to be riding with a bunch of azzhats around me as that just sounds like an accident waiting to happen. Ill go ride in an area one week and not go back for a month and there would of MAYBE been a single group of guys that have gone through the same area since. If everyone spread out there would be less of an impact on everything and everywhere there is a path or trail. Its the lazyness of people that shows when they just continue to go to the same area week after week chewing deeper and deeper into the earth because it the easiest thing to do.

just how big do you think this country is??? and not everyone can take the time to drive to timbucktoo. when you live in or near a large city the nearby riding areas are going to see lot more action than they did just 5-10 years ago. its a given... not much we can do about it. we don't all live in the bush by whitecourt with an endless supply of riding area!
 

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Oh come on get up and hour and a half earlier and drive a bit, thats your excuse why you would rather destroy one area then explore new terrain, living in the cities you have to load up and go anyway, why not go a lil further to find something. Less unnecessary nrudness


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I think it is a question on where do you go. Atv trails don't have the mapping and direction that snowmobile trails have. When somebody has a limited amount of days off and is going on a trip, they want to make it count. They don't want to screw around in a unknown area, with no clue of what is there, how the trail is or where it goes. I'm fortunate enough to have all the trails i need within a short distance. So when I do meet people on the trail, I tell them where they can go or where to avoid. Everybody has their secret spots and crap, but I don't own the land and neither do you.
 

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Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near futur

Everybody has their secret spots and crap, but I don't own the land and neither do you.
Yes you do. What do you think "Crown Land" means?



Canada[edit]


See also: land ownership in Canada
Within Canada, Crown Land is a designated area belonging to the Queen in Right of Canada,[5][6] the equivalent of an entailed estate that passes with the monarchy and cannot be alienated from it; thus, per constitutional convention, these lands cannot be unilaterally sold by the monarch, instead passing on to the next king or queen unless the sovereign is advised otherwise by the ministers of the Crown. Though the Canadian monarch owns all Crown Land in the country, paralleling the "division" of the Crown amongst the federal and provincial governments, Crown Land is similarly divided so that some lands within the province are administered by the provincial Crown, whereas others are under the federal Crown. About 89% of Canada's land area (8,886,356 km²) is Crown Land, which may either be federal (41%) or provincial (48%); the remaining 11% is privately owned.[7]
Most federal Crown land is in the Canadian territories (Northwest Territories, Nunavut and Yukon), and is administered by Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada. Only 4% of land in the provinces is federally controlled, largely in the form of National Parks, Indian reserves, or Canadian Forces bases. In contrast, provinces hold much of their territory as provincial Crown Land, which may be held as Provincial Parks or wilderness.
Crown Land provides the country and the provinces with the majority of their profits from natural resources, largely but not exclusively provincial, rented for logging and mineral exploration rights; revenues flow to the relevant government and may constitute a major income stream, such as in Alberta. Crown Land may also be rented by individuals wishing to build homes or cottages.
Alberta[edit]
In the province of Alberta, Crown Land, also called public land,[6] is territory registered in the name of "Her Majesty the Queen in right of Alberta as Represented by [specific Minister of the Crown]" and remains under the administration of the mentioned minister until the land is sold or transferred via legislation,[8] such as an Order in Council.[9] Crown Land is governed by the Public Lands Act, originally passed as the Provincial Lands Act in 1931 and renamed in 1949.[6]
 

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I think it is a question on where do you go. Atv trails don't have the mapping and direction that snowmobile trails have. When somebody has a limited amount of days off and is going on a trip, they want to make it count. They don't want to screw around in a unknown area, with no clue of what is there, how the trail is or where it goes. I'm fortunate enough to have all the trails i need within a short distance. So when I do meet people on the trail, I tell them where they can go or where to avoid. Everybody has their secret spots and crap, but I don't own the land and neither do you.

Are you serious? You need a map and designated trails to find somewhere to ride, ever heard of a sense of direction, a little intuition maybe...... bud live a lil, its not that hard, i too have all the riding at my fingertips but we still load up and go exploring in unknown areas all the time, and every person i know has limited days off...... ....


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Re: "Mud-bogging on crown land in Alberta will become quite illegal in the near futur

Oh come on get up and hour and a half earlier and drive a bit, thats your excuse why you would rather destroy one area then explore new terrain, living in the cities you have to load up and go anyway, why not go a lil further to find something. Less unnecessary nrudness


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This is a very back and forth conversation but I do feel there will be a clamp down in the future. We do need to reduce our impact to the land.
 

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You know it's really interesting how even the ATV or OHV community has become brainwashed with this whole environmental concern.
So there's a bunch of mud holes that people like to play in with their quads how is that going to affect the environment? Like is the earth going to cave-in because there's a bunch of mud holes?

I can see were driving up and down the river and having a bunch of oil and what not getting into the waterways is not such a great thing for our drinking water or fish etc, but really is a boat that spewing two-stroke oil and exhaust into our lakes any better?

I personally do not really like to mud bog anymore and I would like to see more bridges built ( with our registration money) but I still don't see why a little mud hole on the trail or even a very large mudhole is damaging the environment.
I just drove to an area the other day where from natural run off it washed out a whole Bridge, Road and the creek made a new path it had nothing at all to do with any human being it was all natural so again what is the big deal the river just took a new course who cares!

Also when it comes to mountain terrain it is a really beautiful place to be in and I don't think we should be spinning up the countryside however if one stays on the main trail I don't see the big deal especially when it's solid rock underneath.

I take my mountain bike out and often run into horse ruts that are a foot and a half deep where I can't even pedal my bicycle, I never hear anybody complaining about that!! And by the way I ride a horse the odd time too.

I think we need to change the face of this whole fight towards environment, everyone seems to be giving in to the flower sniffers and almost becoming one of them...

If someone could please tell me how a mudhole on a trail is affecting the environment I would like to know I'm all ears.




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Here's another one... make sure your woodstove is EPA approved for less smoke emissions!!!! Ha ya right, these piles will all be burned this winter... How much smoke is coming off them??

I'm not saying lets be reckless towards the environment but also lets not be brainwashed into thinking we are a huge problem to the environment riding our off road vehicles around the countryside....


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Here's another one... make sure your woodstove is EPA approved for less smoke emissions!!!! Ha ya right, these piles will all be burned this winter... How much smoke is coming off them??

I'm not saying lets be reckless towards the environment but also lets not be brainwashed into thinking we are a huge problem to the environment riding our off road vehicles around the countryside....


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Ft Mac had a bit of smoke
 

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Ft Mac had a bit of smoke

Ha Ya I guess so. Make sure those woodstoves are epa certified though!


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