Skidoo Turbo Issue with bogging at times Deep Snow

sledneck__11 said:

Picked up at dealer and drove to bc one had 6kms other one ill say under 200 as there both 2022 850 turbos

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MP Kid said:

You’ve got to be kidding….?!

So BRP doesn’t trust its own dealer (and a large one like Martin’s) to break paint on certain items to fix a problem? Tells me to avoid BRP like the plague.

$20-25k unit that doesn’t run correctly for 2 years. Doesn’t matter what manufacturer it is…they should be doing more. How much time and money has Ron spent on mountian trips only to know that when in the steep and deep, the sled is probably not going to run properly. You’d think that someone at Martin’s would be getting tired of seeing this unit continually on the doorstep. Hey Snopro -what’s the purpose of the “engineering team” at Kuster’s? One would think that Martin’s would deliver it there for them to look at??

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Merc63 said:

Burn it

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maxwell said:

hey man don't hate the player hate the game. I don't disagree with you but that's the process doesn't matter how big or good of a dealer you are. As far as the engineering team at Kusters that's not really their intent but hey maybe it will happen. They are there to look at sleds that come off the mountain from CKMP. I only know that because i bent an A arm on a prototype once and they were pretty interested in that lol!!

Big organizations have big processes. Most of the time that's fine but in situations like these it really does suck for the customer.

On the Etec non turbo we used to just swap parts across with a buddy until we eliminated the problem. That is no longer.

If something goes wrong with your turbo pray there's an engine code

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ABMax24 said:

But it doesn't need to be that way. Anyone looking to gain hp from these turbos is combining it with a tune, which is extremely easy to make programming within the ECU to detect. Even if it doesn't need a tune the ECU could register that parameters like fuel flow or boost are outside expected values.

The same thing happened 20 years ago with diesel trucks when aftermarket tuners became commonplace and manufacturers began loosing millions on warranty work. None of the big 3 started marked bolts to check if they were removed, that's assinine, they gave techs the information to diagnose if a failure was caused by overstressing components from aftermarket modifications, and built software into the ECUs to detect when non-oem tuning was utilized.

To beat this deadhorse again, allowing for logging within the ECU would solve a problem like this thread is about, and allow BRP to easily see if the engine has been modified for performance. 2 birds, one stone.

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Caper11 said:

BRP does that with the budds 2. I would imagine a dealer like rons would have the latest budds software.
The moment the sled is plugged in, a file is sent to BRP.
Maxwell is referring to seals on, The wastegate and the ECM, those cannot be broken without permission and documentation from BRP.
With all the backfiring and popping rons sled done I know BRP knows about the popping and backfiring, and I hear 2022 sleds doing it in vids already. So we’re the reeds checked

Unfortunately I believe Ron is at the mercy of the Dealer and BRP or try another dealer.
I had a 2011 etec that hesitated and popped, BRP said nothing was wrong, even after reviewing the video that was sent in.

If I was Ron I seriously would be looking for a snocheck back out right now.

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ABMax24 said:

Oh cool, so BRP can't/won't fix the issue, and if the customer breaks those seals doing their own diagnostics it voids warranty. So the solution is to reward BRP by purchasing another sled?

Am I the only one that thinks this process is f@cked?

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Caper11 said:

Why would the customer, or any customer mess with the wastegate linkage, or remove the ECM? Only one reason, added performance.

A customer can do anything they want to their sled, just don’t expect support for free when a problem happens.

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maxwell said:

On the Etec non turbo we used to just swap parts across with a buddy until we eliminated the problem. That is no longer.

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ABMax24 said:

We're clearly not talking about the same parts here. I'm not talking about swapping ECU's or Wastegate actuators from machine to machine, I'm talking about swapping MAP and Back pressure sensors from machine to machine to find the source of the over fueling issue. My response stems from this statement below:

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MP Kid said:

At the end of the day….Ron has a 2 year old sled with 2700km that is closer to being off warranty than when he first picked it up, made countless trips to the dealer, many ruined days (when it should’ve been the best/deepest days), and still no resolution…?!

I don’t know how anyone could defend the position that this is acceptable…?

I don’t even know “Ron”….

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maxwell said:

no one is defending anyone, just explaining the process. It is not acceptable.

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bendy said:

As a Chrysler Master Tech... no it is not acceptable, but its just the way it is! If I can't diagnose the symptom based on the training and equipment I have, and calling the tech line with the symptom, no codes and not being able to duplicate the problem... you're facked! I honestly believe Ron should've/should be given a different sled to ride and they take his POS and figure it out! Happens all the time in the auto industry. Its a lot easier though when the vehicle is leased to get this type of thing resolved by threating to return the vehicle.

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ferniesnow said:

Sure glad we are rockin' our oldish iron!!

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ABMax24 said:

We're clearly not talking about the same parts here. I'm not talking about swapping ECU's or Wastegate actuators from machine to machine, I'm talking about swapping MAP and Back pressure sensors from machine to machine to find the source of the over fueling issue. My response stems from this statement below:

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maxwell said:

the sleds have actually been pretty remarkable considering what they are. But with thousands sold there will always be the odd Dud, just probability.

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