Sw tuning and setup questions.

deaner · Oct 22, 2017

Im curious to see some SW builds happen. Seems to be some pretty low hanging fruit in the power and weight department. Reflash, CAI, straight pipe, hood, battery, and maybe seat.......should be getting close to the weight of a turboed 2 banger.

skegpro · Oct 22, 2017

deaner said:
Im curious to see some SW builds happen. Seems to be some pretty low hanging fruit in the power and weight department. Reflash, CAI, straight pipe, hood, battery, and maybe seat.......should be getting close to the weight of a turboed 2 banger.

I wonder what the real weight is on a turbo 2 stroke with e start.

canuck5 · Oct 22, 2017

My guess was clearly off that is a great price

deaner · Oct 22, 2017

skegpro said:
I wonder what the real weight is on a turbo 2 stroke with e start.

Snowest weighed the G4 165 full of fluids at 536. Add I think 14lbs for e-start.....so 550. Then whatever a turbo kit adds, say 10lbs net so 560 ready to ride?

A thread just a few down shows the sidewinder at 643 and the G4 at 590 apples to apples stock. So the G4 should be around 600 with a turbo, and the sidewinder can do nothing but lose weight. So in theory, they could be close to the same weight ready to go. These things are starting to look better and better.

skegpro · Oct 22, 2017

deaner said:
Snowest weighed the G4 165 full of fluids at 536. Add I think 14lbs for e-start.....so 550. Then whatever a turbo kit adds, say 10lbs net so 560 ready to ride?

A thread just a few down shows the sidewinder at 643 and the G4 at 590 apples to apples stock. So the G4 should be around 600 with a turbo, and the sidewinder can do nothing but lose weight. So in theory, they could be close to the same weight ready to go. These things are starting to look better and better.

No doubt especially when the flashes north of 260hp start coming out.

Catman10 · Oct 23, 2017

Trust me boys, as a Sidewinder owner with 750 kms under my belt the weight is irrelevant, yes it is a bit more than the 2 smokes but the chassis design and power MORE than make up for it plus it will keep up to most 2 stroke turbos running 8-10 pounds boost and mine is stock which I have proven many times already and when you reflash this Yammie it won't even be in the same ballpark anymore. If you can get over the mental block that we all have that these sleds are heavy and throw your fat ass on one you will very likely be surprised, I cannot wipe the grin off my face everytime I ride this thing and I have not got mine dialled in yet since the 174 conversion, it will be a 2 stroke turbo killer forsure! Oh and for all you losers out there who say that you can't ride these things in the trees give your head a shake, done it lots and this sled is very capable in that department as well....let the bashing begin!

deaner · Oct 23, 2017

I'm sorry....I just don't buy the "it's heavy but you can't feel it" argument. Bring your sled out here this winter and try to get into monk lake with us. You won't think some lightweight parts are a bad idea at all!

0neoldfart · Oct 23, 2017

deaner said:
I'm sorry....I just don't buy the "it's heavy but you can't feel it" argument. Bring your sled out here this winter and try to get into monk lake with us. You won't think some lightweight parts are a bad idea at all!

No doubt weight loss helps, but it makes a bigger difference in how they are set up. My M1100T was a heavy tank out of the box, but it also shared the same shocks / springs as the lighter 600 and 800 Proclimb. On "Oprah", I did shave a bit of weight (battery, hood, exhaust, seat), but the biggest improvement was changing the skis and replacing the front track shock spring. It's current weight is within 10 lbs of a stock King Cat (sister sled to the 2018 Sidewinder MTX). So adding a King Cat to the stable at the end of the month (thanks to T&T Powersports), still keeping Oprah as it is fully set up with a EVO big chute turbo and some other goodies that I'll never get my money back on. Setup is key, and this current offering is the best stock 4S to date. You will work harder in the trees then the 2S guys, but a better diet, excercise, and a bit of throttle control will keep you in the hunt. Riding a 4S requires a different style, you have to plan further ahead. Yes it will be heavier when stuck, but I've found I don't get planted as often on the 4S Turbo.

06yamahaapex · Oct 23, 2017

deaner said:
I'm sorry....I just don't buy the "it's heavy but you can't feel it" argument. Bring your sled out here this winter and try to get into monk lake with us. You won't think some lightweight parts are a bad idea at all!

have you even tried the sidewinder?

deaner · Oct 23, 2017

06yamahaapex said:
have you even tried the sidewinder?

Not yet. Ive heard great things. But weight is weight. Im serious about inviting anyone out this winter that wants to come try our area out. Alot of them require going through alot of steep, tightly treed areas. Light is just better. I have no doubts that these sleds are a blast to ride. If I lived in sicamous I would buy one. But for our riding, weight is weight. If it can be lost somewhat easily and the sled brought near the weight of other competing sleds, I think yamaha would sell ALOT of them.

niner · Oct 23, 2017

deaner said:
Not yet. Ive heard great things. But weight is weight. Im serious about inviting anyone out this winter that wants to come try our area out. Alot of them require going through alot of steep, tightly treed areas. Light is just better. I have no doubts that these sleds are a blast to ride. If I lived in sicamous I would buy one. But for our riding, weight is weight. If it can be lost somewhat easily and the sled brought near the weight of other competing sleds, I think yamaha would sell ALOT of them.

Weight is not weight. There is a reason all the viper guys are giving away there sleds. The turboviper and the sidewinder are with in a few pounds of each other. But they handle nothing alike. My 174 turbo pro is over 100 lbs lighter then Catman10 sidewinder and I can hop from one sled to other effortlessly. There is a reason everyone says you have to ride it to believe it. Don’t want to turn this into a weight thread but the weight is not an issue with the sidewinder.

Catman10 · Oct 23, 2017

You are absolutely right, weight is weight and I have flapped my mouth lots about the heavy tanks that Yamaha makes and even have to admit owning a rx1 turbo sled for a very short time and it was the biggest heaviest piece of s&!t I ever owned. That being said, after dumping 50 pds off my winder I am now at a very close weight to many 2 strokes with electric start but still probably 30-40 pds more so I loose the weight argument. Here is where things get interesting though, my sled holds a sidehill every bit as good as my pro and from the few doos I rode I would say closely matched as well, the Axy is slightly better forsure but not by much. In the trees and tight areas I cannot instantly flick my sled about but it is very responsive and is not handicapped at all by the slight weight difference so I may touch a little more bark here and there but no biggie. Now it gets interesting because what I carry around in extra pounds I more than makes up in other areas, sled is way smoother than a two smoke, no stupid power curve just pure torque everywhere, way more power and way more bottom end grunt and the track speed develops way faster, I don't have to feather the throttle or constantly chop the throttle to make the wicked line through the bush cuz I can hold it steady and remain in control much easier. Also where the 2 smokes are wide open to make the pull I am half throttle going with ease and preciseness instead of bouncing around like a crazy man outta control just hoping to make it. I would love to take Deaner up on his offer just for fun but I have to admit that I am just an ok tree rider not a great one and my lack of ability would not show the proper potential of my sled. In my experience in the bowls and meadows we ride in the Yammie dominates without a doubt, in the trees with Deaner on my sled I am sure it would dominate as well just because the chassis finally works really really good. I have owned every brand of sled and am not biased towards any one and I try to give the no bulls!#t truth as much as possible to educate people because if you told me 2 years ago I would be on a Yamaha I would have taken that bet. Every manufacturer have their day and whether you agree or not my gut is telling me that you will see more Yammies on the hill this year because this winder is a home run for them!

deaner · Oct 23, 2017

Im really curious to try one. It seems like there hasnt been one bad review from people that have been on them. And Im happy to take anyone out that wants to come this way this winter.

Tuesday · Oct 25, 2017

How did you drop 50lbs on that sled? Interested.

Catman10 said:
You are absolutely right, weight is weight and I have flapped my mouth lots about the heavy tanks that Yamaha makes and even have to admit owning a rx1 turbo sled for a very short time and it was the biggest heaviest piece of s&!t I ever owned. That being said, after dumping 50 pds off my winder I am now at a very close weight to many 2 strokes with electric start but still probably 30-40 pds more so I loose the weight argument. Here is where things get interesting though, my sled holds a sidehill every bit as good as my pro and from the few doos I rode I would say closely matched as well, the Axy is slightly better forsure but not by much. In the trees and tight areas I cannot instantly flick my sled about but it is very responsive and is not handicapped at all by the slight weight difference so I may touch a little more bark here and there but no biggie. Now it gets interesting because what I carry around in extra pounds I more than makes up in other areas, sled is way smoother than a two smoke, no stupid power curve just pure torque everywhere, way more power and way more bottom end grunt and the track speed develops way faster, I don't have to feather the throttle or constantly chop the throttle to make the wicked line through the bush cuz I can hold it steady and remain in control much easier. Also where the 2 smokes are wide open to make the pull I am half throttle going with ease and preciseness instead of bouncing around like a crazy man outta control just hoping to make it. I would love to take Deaner up on his offer just for fun but I have to admit that I am just an ok tree rider not a great one and my lack of ability would not show the proper potential of my sled. In my experience in the bowls and meadows we ride in the Yammie dominates without a doubt, in the trees with Deaner on my sled I am sure it would dominate as well just because the chassis finally works really really good. I have owned every brand of sled and am not biased towards any one and I try to give the no bulls!#t truth as much as possible to educate people because if you told me 2 years ago I would be on a Yamaha I would have taken that bet. Every manufacturer have their day and whether you agree or not my gut is telling me that you will see more Yammies on the hill this year because this winder is a home run for them!

Tuesday · Oct 25, 2017

deaner said:
Im really curious to try one. It seems like there hasnt been one bad review from people that have been on them. And Im happy to take anyone out that wants to come this way this winter.

Get some snow this year and we will finally come out and see your place!

deaner · Oct 26, 2017

Tuesday said:
Get some snow this year and we will finally come out and see your place!

For sure man. I got the new house built last year so lots of room for you to stay if you make it out this way.

K45 · Oct 26, 2017

Tuesday said:
How did you drop 50lbs on that sled? Interested.

He didnt, as soon as he put the tunnel extention, 174 3" track, racers edge skid with aftermarket shock, Cr boards.. that sled is right back up there or weighs more. Plus I see his sled is for sale on kijiji - Im not being rude, but when you go 174 the weight has to increase

I had a 174 Boost It Viper ( Dewalt sled ) it weighed 676 #s wet and handled like it weighed alot more, got rid of it and bought a 15 163 viper 3" power claw track ( lighter than the Camso 3") Same Boost it turbo, light weight hood, 36" Alt Impact front end, lightweight battery ... 618 #s wet and handled very well compared to the 174 tank viper.

Tuesday · Oct 26, 2017

Not sure how much wiggle room there is to drop weight on the SW. Battery, can could be easy. Few lbs with the intake and hood. Maybe a light seat? Other than that not really sure where to save the lbs.

Kibbels · Oct 26, 2017

K45 said:
He didnt, as soon as he put the tunnel extention, 174 3" track, racers edge skid with aftermarket shock, Cr boards.. that sled is right back up there or weighs more. Plus I see his sled is for sale on kijiji - Im not being rude, but when you go 174 the weight has to increase

I had a 174 Boost It Viper ( Dewalt sled ) it weighed 676 #s wet and handled like it weighed alot more, got rid of it and bought a 15 163 viper 3" power claw track ( lighter than the Camso 3") Same Boost it turbo, light weight hood, 36" Alt Impact front end, lightweight battery ... 618 #s wet and handled very well compared to the 174 tank viper.

Ummm
The SW is lighter than Viper stock (you need to remember it has stock turbo already)
SW after market exhaust is 15+ pounds depends what you go with
Earthx bat is 10lb diet
RE rear assembly maybe 2+
162 - 174" Track +5 lbs
CR boards +2 lbs
ext .. you will have to ask Catman10 but no more than +2 it's min..

You added or I should say JP +20lbs with Boost it kit..

Blah blah....

The SW is superior in every way compared to Viper... weight, handling, steering, weight position, front end .. etc

Catman10 · Oct 26, 2017

I dont know who K45 is, never met him before in my life but he sure seems to have all the answers, insinuating that my sled is for sale now because it is hard to ride with the 174 and its heavy. I will clarify this right now, my awesome sidewinder is for sale because of a medical condition that is making it impossible for me to ride, and if you know me then you will know that all 3 of my sleds are for sale, why should I have 40k invested in toys that I cannot play with? The Yammmie is wicked with a 174, no more crazy wheelies and it floats everywhere with ease and it takes a 2 stroke with a turbo running 10 pds boost and a 174 to keep up. I couldnt care less if it sells, I love it and many friends that ride it think it is pretty awesome as well. To answer the weight quetion, I may have exagerated the 50 pds, realistically it is closer to 40 pds but with some hood and seat mods it will be really close to 50 which will be my winter project if it doesnt sell. The weight added with the 174 is small potatoes because the factory 162 is quite heavy, i figure 5-7 pds weight gain tops with most of the weight added cuz i went with the bomber rails and I think my 174 is only a couple pounds more than the 162, the gain in performance is not even comparable, far worth the tiny weight gain. The biggest problem Yamaha is going to have is overcoming the previous history of tanks but this sled aint one of them, get out and try one if you can boys!

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