What to do with a lemon vehicle?

ABMax24 said:

Brutal.

GM has also decided to sell the plant that builds these engines to a Chinese company. I wonder if this will be the end of the 2.8?

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2020/0...iland-sell-rayong-plant-to-great-wall-motors/

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tex78 said:

Chit happens, parts is made mass produced lol

The cruise and terrain equinox diesel is done I heard yup

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ABMax24 said:

The economics make small diesels hard to justify. We save about 15% on fuel over the V6, but also pay 10% more for diesel over gas right now. Add in the higher purchase price, and evidently more mechanical issues and the savings are hard to find. In full size trucks the difference is definitely justifiable, and I'm really intrigued by the new 3.0 diesel for the 1/2 tons especially at 8.0 L/100km with a 4x4 model.

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ABMax24 said:

The economics make small diesels hard to justify. We save about 15% on fuel over the V6, but also pay 10% more for diesel over gas right now. Add in the higher purchase price, and evidently more mechanical issues and the savings are hard to find. In full size trucks the difference is definitely justifiable, and I'm really intrigued by the new 3.0 diesel for the 1/2 tons especially at 8.0 L/100km with a 4x4 model.

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Cdnfireman said:

I think for anything other than towing heavy trailers or hauling heavy for work where you get a return on working the truck, diesels just don’t pencil out. The mileage claims for the half ton diesels are questionable as well. They might get good mileage flat tracking unloaded with no wind, but start hauling a load, working it on hills or into a wind those numbers will drop like crazy. Like any small displacement turbo engine, once the boost goes up so does the fuel consumption. I feel for you with the reliability issues you’re experiencing. Imagine if this happened outside of warranty. The argument for diesel gets even more indefensible.

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dgiles said:

If you put 200,000 km on it, you will get the cost of the diesel option back at resale. The gasser is worth nothing.

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dgiles said:

If you put 200,000 km on it, you will get the cost of the diesel option back at resale. The gasser is worth nothing.

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ABMax24 said:

Not if they are an unreliable piece of junk. Take the 6.4 Powerstroke for example, you almost can't give those trucks away.

I'm not really sure where these motors will sit long term on longevity though, my experience is far too biased to even try to make a prediction on it.

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ABMax24 said:

Not if they are an unreliable piece of junk. Take the 6.4 Powerstroke for example, you almost can't give those trucks away.

I'm not really sure where these motors will sit long term on longevity though, my experience is far too biased to even try to make a prediction on it.

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dgiles said:

Just googled it for you. Random 2010-2012 Ford F350 gasses with 200k are asking 10-15k less than the diesel. The diesel option is only 9k and you get the fuel benefits as well.

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ABMax24 said:

A 2010 6.4 is barely worth $15k, i doubt the gas jobs are selling for less than $5k. And 2011 up is the 6.7 which is a proven motor and not the point I was making.

But frankly this is comparing apples to oranges, my issue is with mid-sized diesels not full sized. Even if dollar wise you come out a couple grand ahead on a mid-sized diesel the headache of having in it for repairs all the time isn't worth it.

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gunner3006 said:

Are they at least putting you in another vehicle temporarily?

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lilduke said:

You can get this Bad Boy for under 15K!


https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks...50-diesel-leather-dvd-clean-carfax/1467367197

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Cyle said:

Well that is the appropriate truck for this thread considering it's the lemon thread....

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Cdnfireman said:

I think for anything other than towing heavy trailers or hauling heavy for work where you get a return on working the truck, diesels just don’t pencil out. The mileage claims for the half ton diesels are questionable as well. They might get good mileage flat tracking unloaded with no wind, but start hauling a load, working it on hills or into a wind those numbers will drop like crazy. Like any small displacement turbo engine, once the boost goes up so does the fuel consumption. I feel for you with the reliability issues you’re experiencing. Imagine if this happened outside of warranty. The argument for diesel gets even more indefensible.

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dgiles said:

Just googled it for you. Random 2010-2012 Ford F350 gasses with 200k are asking 10-15k less than the diesel. The diesel option is only 9k and you get the fuel benefits as well.

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Cdnfireman said:

What fuel benefits??

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dgiles said:

Mileage.
Also I realize not for Albertans, but in the lower mainland, diesel is almost 20 cents cheaper than 87 and 34 cents cheaper than premium if you are running a 6.2 chev.

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