Ford 6.0 Diesel Class Action Lawsuit

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Anyone get anything from this so far ? I'm getting a run around from them, turns out I was able to get a copy of the work order, however the dealership was sold in the mean time and they switched to a new work order system. Unfortunately the new system put the mileage back to 2.
 

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Anyone got the cliff notes on why the lawsuit is taking place?
 

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EGR cooler, oil cooler and injector failure. I received a letter about a year and a half ago saying I may be eligible. Only about $800, if I recall right is was over 7 grand to fix. Better than nothing I guess. Ford never admitted liability, that was the last Ford product to ever grace this family of 5 vehicles
 

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EGR cooler, oil cooler and injector failure. I received a letter about a year and a half ago saying I may be eligible. Only about $800, if I recall right is was over 7 grand to fix. Better than nothing I guess. Ford never admitted liability, that was the last Ford product to ever grace this family of 5 vehicles

6.0 and 6.4 IH engines had there fair share of issues all right, thank god thats over with.... 6.7 are pretty solid in my opinion. Its always going to be something they add more systems and moving parts to these rigs everyday.
 

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6.0 and 6.4 IH engines had there fair share of issues all right, thank god thats over with.... 6.7 are pretty solid in my opinion. Its always going to be something they add more systems and moving parts to these rigs everyday.

I am a die hard dodge guy. But I would buy the new ford 6.7. I think they have the emissions figured out the best
 

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EGR cooler, oil cooler and injector failure. I received a letter about a year and a half ago saying I may be eligible. Only about $800, if I recall right is was over 7 grand to fix. Better than nothing I guess. Ford never admitted liability, that was the last Ford product to ever grace this family of 5 vehicles

Hmmm icbc bought mine off me before it got too mild up. I think they took ownership at around 200k but had no issues prior to that
 

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Hmmm icbc bought mine off me before it got too mild up. I think they took ownership at around 200k but had no issues prior to that

That would make you one of the few, I had a 2003,2004,2006 and they all had something going on at one time or another. When they were good they were great.
 

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340,000 on my 04 and have owned it since 06 and ZERO issues.
I know this engine inside out as i have worked on a few. I will step out and say over 50% of its issues are OWNER issues not engine issues. Most people should not own diesel powered engines and really the only real difference between a newer version and the 6.0 is the newer engines are STUPID OWNER proof.
The engine had design issues when you combine it with stupidity and ignorance would become a big issue. Today Ford got smart and build's it for the idiot.

I'll say that and get ragged on but how many of you really have wrenched on, seriously tore into one of these and understand the system....bet not many but most of you will have a BS opinion.
 

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I will counter that Lund with a statement that the new 6.7 scorpion is ground up ford designed and nothing to do with IH. They really came up with a lot of innovation in this engine. The CGI block and reverse flow heads to name a few.
 

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Here are a few simple mistakes people do with diesel's that are devastating to the 6.0l. Letting it IDLE. Long term idle on any engine is harmful, especially the 6.0l. Why; The 6.0l uses a variable vain turbo, letting it idle create's a carbon build up on the servo plate. Diesel engines need to run HOT, idling a diesel it will never get hot. The carbon build up causes the servo plate to hang up, this in turn causes an over boost scenario. The system is design for approx. 30psi of boost and 28psi is most common in a stock engine.
With a carbon'ed up servo plate i have seen boost pressures exceed 45psi, infact i have seen one hit 48psi.
A perfect setup to blow the heads or split an egr coolers......all caused by too much idling and carbon build up.

The cause and effect of the above situation also effect the cooling system, running a diesel pickup with an overboost scenario will cause the cooling system to over work, this in turn will stress the EGR system and oil cooling system.
How many owners actually replace the coolant in their diesel pickup every 2 years or 40k. Not many, yet i have found so many with plugged oil coolers from gel antifreeze. Caused by poor maintenance. Extreme heating of antifreeze will cause it to gel and eventually plug, such as in the 6.0l oil cooler.

This engine has many issues, but like i said many are easily owner caused.
 

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One should not have to pay 60 grand for a truck, have it serviced as per the manufacture's recommendations (at the dealership ) then have a $7,000 repair bill at 212,000KM. And no,the truck didn't idle all day, it was to much of a pig on fuel.
 

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BTW i just wanted to add that NO powerstroke should use 15-40 oil. guaranteed eventual injector failure. 15-40 is old school and suitable for old tech or highway service rigs.
If you don't know anything know this, the injectors are operated in a powerstroke via oil pressure. Pushing a heavy oil such as 15-40 will eventually damage the injector's. Ever try to push molasses through a pin hole LOL, Ford powerstrokes need 0-40 or 5-40 Sythetic. Never will an inject fail after that.
 

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BTW i just wanted to add that NO powerstroke should use 15-40 oil. guaranteed eventual injector failure. 15-40 is old school and suitable for old tech or highway service rigs.
If you don't know anything know this, the injectors are operated in a powerstroke via oil pressure. Pushing a heavy oil such as 15-40 will eventually damage the injector's. Ever try to push molasses through a pin hole LOL, Ford powerstrokes need 0-40 or 5-40 Sythetic. Never will an inject fail after that.
Fair comment, but makes it tough when Ford calls the specs and 15w40 is the requirement. I ran 5-40 in cold climates, but during summer or hot climates, 15-40 was the easiest. Plus, 15-40 works in everything else.
 

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Yes Ford spec's call for 15-40.
Every 6.0L and 6.4L that have had injector failure can be directed to the oil used. Thus why so many have had the issue. NON that i have repaired and told the customer to switch to 5-40 or 0-40 (which i automatically do) have had an issue since. Infact, i have one Ace courier cube wagon pushing 850,000 with zero issues. Ford did the injectors under warranty at 60,000 and 190,000. I did them once at the shop at 270,000 maybe 5 yrs ago LOL.
Been working on these POS since, as they come through the shop.
 
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BTW i just wanted to add that NO powerstroke should use 15-40 oil. guaranteed eventual injector failure. 15-40 is old school and suitable for old tech or highway service rigs.
If you don't know anything know this, the injectors are operated in a powerstroke via oil pressure. Pushing a heavy oil such as 15-40 will eventually damage the injector's. Ever try to push molasses through a pin hole LOL, Ford powerstrokes need 0-40 or 5-40 Sythetic. Never will an inject fail after that.

This only applies up to the 6.4 after that the fuel system was changed to high pressure fuel actuated.
 

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The common issue with the injectors is the spool valve bolt that goes through the injector coils. That bolt is prone to breaking or stretching then coming loose. This would cause the injector to fail, the heavy oil when cold would over stress the bolt and in time failure is unavoidable.
 

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BTW i just wanted to add that NO powerstroke should use 15-40 oil. guaranteed eventual injector failure. 15-40 is old school and suitable for old tech or highway service rigs.
If you don't know anything know this, the injectors are operated in a powerstroke via oil pressure. Pushing a heavy oil such as 15-40 will eventually damage the injector's. Ever try to push molasses through a pin hole LOL, Ford powerstrokes need 0-40 or 5-40 Sythetic. Never will an inject fail after that.
100% on a huwi injector, cokes the Injector up, because the oil is to thick and tacky cold

I serviced a fleet and as soon as I switched the trucks to 0w40 year round the injector issues pretty much disappeared
 
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