Justice Department Will Sue Fiat Chrysler Over Diesel Emissions

Summitric · May 23, 2017

© AP Photo/Carlos Osorio, File It's beginning to look a lot like Dieselgate. The United States Department of Justice intents to file a civil lawsuit against Fiat Chrysler Automobiles over the company's alleged decision to allow more than 100,000 diesel-powered vehicles to be sold in spite of engines that emitted excessive levels of pollution, according to a report from Reuters.
The Justice Department will file suit on Tuesday, May 23rd, two sources familiar with the matter who spoke with Reuters said.
The lawsuit will reportedly describe the secondary emissions control equipment Fiat Chrysler outfitted to approximately 104,000 Ram 1500s and Jeep Grand Cherokees powered by the carmaker's 3.0-liter turbodiesel V-6 sold in model years 2014, 2015, and 2016 as "defeat devices"-the same term the federal government used to describe the emissions-cheating doodads that landed Volkswagen in a multibillion-dollar pot of hot water.
In a statement issued last week in regards to rumors that the Justice Department might proceed down such a course, Fiat Chrysler wrote, "In the case of any litigation, FCA US will defend itself vigorously, particularly against any claims that the company deliberately installed defeat devices to cheat U.S. emissions tests." (FCA CEO Sergio Marchionne has previously described the EPA's actions as "unfair," and described himself as "really pissed off" by reports that imply Fiat Chrysler's problems are analogous to VW's scandal.)
The U.S. government isn't the first to go sniffing around in FCA's allegedly-dirty exhaust. Earlier this year, the French government said it was investigating FCA over excessive nitrogen oxide emissions from other diesel-powered vehicles. Likewise, the European Union is reportedly considering taking Italy to court over the nation's failure to take reports of FCA's diesel cheating seriously.
This article was originally published on TheDrive.com

neilsleder · May 23, 2017

Is fiat and vw the same company lol

vodoo103 · May 24, 2017

neilsleder said:
Is fiat and vw the same company lol

There must have been some nervous Tech's when the VW stuff started coming to light.
"Oh craaaaap - sure hope they don't find out about ours" haha

adamg · May 25, 2017

Bad news for the DirtyMax fans! The real question at this point is, are there any dissels that actually meet their emissions standards while driving down a road?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-gm-lawsuit-idUSKBN18L25Y

neilsleder · May 25, 2017

You think Ford is starting to sweat a bit? Thinking they are next?

camoJoe · May 26, 2017

neilsleder said:
Is fiat and vw the same company lol

Fiat Italian, VW German

fyi

neilsleder · May 26, 2017

camoJoe said:
Fiat Italian, VW German

fyi

I was being funny! FYI

pistoncontracting · Jun 1, 2017

I wonder how long it will be until they admit that all this is bull****??

Summitric · Jun 2, 2017

I'm hoping trump will put a kaibosh on all these limits...

Bert204 · Jun 3, 2017

Maybe they'll start to see that these emissions systems don't work and they are doing nothing but costing the consumers money and shortening the lives of the engines themselves. Maybe the manufacturers should grow a pair and counter sue the U.S. government and the EU for forcing these stupid systems that don't work properly or are too sensitive to work properly.

Cdnfireman · Jun 3, 2017

Bert204 said:
Maybe they'll start to see that these emissions systems don't work and they are doing nothing but costing the consumers money and shortening the lives of the engines themselves. Maybe the manufacturers should grow a pair and counter sue the U.S. government and the EU for forcing these stupid systems that don't work properly or are too sensitive to work properly.

the government doesn't care if they work or not. They set the emissions requirements and it's up to the manufacturers to come up with a system that meets the requirements. The manufacturers seem to build systems that meet their performance/ marketing goals but can't meet the emissions regs so they program cheats into the PCM's to try and fool the emissions testing. Europe is now moving away from diesels (where market share is close to 50%) and it might start happening here too.
Look what happened to Volkswagen. Billions in fines/costs and no new diesel sales in North America. Imagine what will happen to the diesel pickup market if The Eco diesel and duramax have to do a re-tune that increases fuel consumption and/or reduces performance. Gonna be interesting to see if the various powerstroke engines and the two cummins power plants will get the same scrutiny.

Bert204 · Jun 3, 2017

Cdnfireman said:
the government doesn't care if they work or not. They set the emissions requirements and it's up to the manufacturers to come up with a system that meets the requirements. The manufacturers seem to build systems that meet their performance/ marketing goals but can't meet the emissions regs so they program cheats into the PCM's to try and fool the emissions testing. Europe is now moving away from diesels (where market share is close to 50%) and it might start happening here too.
Look what happened to Volkswagen. Billions in fines/costs and no new diesel sales in North America. Imagine what will happen to the diesel pickup market if The Eco diesel and duramax have to do a re-tune that increases fuel consumption and/or reduces performance. Gonna be interesting to see if the various powerstroke engines and the two cummins power plants will get the same scrutiny.

Cars and pickups are one thing what about heavy equipment and semi-trucks and the agricultural sector? They are all trying to cheat the emissions too because they simply don't work.

Cdnfireman · Jun 3, 2017

Bert204 said:
Cars and pickups are one thing what about heavy equipment and semi-trucks and the agricultural sector? They are all trying to cheat the emissions too because they simply don't work.

Not sure those manufacturers are running cheat programs since they're not subject to new model year testing like vehicles are. The owners/operators might be wanting to bypass the tier4 final stuff but I doubt the manufacturers are

pistoncontracting · Jun 4, 2017

Bert204 said:
Cars and pickups are one thing what about heavy equipment and semi-trucks and the agricultural sector? They are all trying to cheat the emissions too because they simply don't work.

Cummins spearheaded a good portion of the current emissions standards in diesel engines. They don't care if their product works or not, because they are basically the only choice you have- and they know that. Same as the rest of the companies. There is nearly no competition anymore, and they know that.

Overseas, brand new ag equipment is being released without all this emissions crap. Even some of it here in Canada is exempt. The Claas chopers with the v-12 engines are exempt from SCR stuff. Places in Europe are banning it in highway trucks.
As per usual, N/A is is laying bending over and taking it.

Caper11 · Jun 6, 2017

Cummins is the cleanest engine of the bunch, It made emissions without urea till 2013, unlike the other two.

pistoncontracting · Jun 7, 2017

Caper11 said:
Cummins is the cleanest engine of the bunch, It made emissions without urea till 2013, unlike the other two.

Nope. Cummins paid for it in carbon credits internationally. And judging by the disaster that the ISX was, and how long it took them to sort it out in highway trucks, I believe it.
Sure to bad too, because the older stuff and ag stuff works very well.

pistoncontracting · Jun 7, 2017

Heard a rumour that JD is soon to release and 18L engine, that will be free from emissions control due to it being over 560KW.

So that's cool

, and just shows how little this emissions crap is really about the environment.

Caper11 · Jun 8, 2017

pistoncontracting said:
Nope. Cummins paid for it in carbon credits internationally. And judging by the disaster that the ISX was, and how long it took them to sort it out in highway trucks, I believe it.
Sure to bad too, because the older stuff and ag stuff works very well.

Internationally?? So your saying that the bluetec equipped cummins does not meet emissions, and carbon credits is the thing keeping the emissions testing off the tail pipe?

Caper11 · Jun 8, 2017

pistoncontracting said:
Heard a rumour that JD is soon to release and 18L engine, that will be free from emissions control due to it being over 560KW.

So that's cool , and just shows how little this emissions crap is really about the environment.

Wont be a highway engine. Maybe marine.

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