Survival gear- CAN YOU SURVIVE 24 hrs?

Goliath · Feb 24, 2021

Hey Guys and girls,

Check out my new video of my rescue experience and what I NOW carry in my packs. Please share this video, maybe it can help someone!

Cheers

https://youtu.be/XkTkVi3Jgeg

Rockyedge · Feb 25, 2021

Hey Craig this is Ben rode back with you in January with Shawn Curtis and the blue river boys. After hearing your story I went out and rigged up pretty much everything you talked about in this video. Thanks for sharing your story and making people more aware of the possibility of spending the night. Cheers buddy stay rad��

Goliath · Feb 26, 2021

Hey Ben!
Nice to hear from you! Im happy to hear your all rigged up now! Make sure you subscribe to my Youtube channel and share this video with who ever you can! I am going to do Part two right away!

Cheers bud!

Rockyedge said:
Hey Craig this is Ben rode back with you in January with Shawn Curtis and the blue river boys. After hearing your story I went out and rigged up pretty much everything you talked about in this video. Thanks for sharing your story and making people more aware of the possibility of spending the night. Cheers buddy stay rad��

oler1234 · Feb 26, 2021

i probably missed it but why were you in the back country for 3 days? what happened? and why couldnt you just 'double' out with your riding partner.

Goliath · Feb 27, 2021

We were stranded for about 30 hours. We ended up down a drainage we couldn't get out of. SAR located us the next morning and couldn't get to us so they dropped snow shoes off and told us we had to walk out. By the time we got to the bottom SAR had cut down a clearing for the help to land. It was along day and a half.

oler1234 said:
i probably missed it but why were you in the back country for 3 days? what happened? and why couldnt you just 'double' out with your riding partner.

imdoo'n · Feb 28, 2021

good video may make people think , only i think you got way to much stuff, why the barbecue cover, when you have a couple tarps and a roll of plastic. you have a few 24hr candles in your pack, build a snow shelter and xnay the firewood. in 6ft of snow you will kill yourself trying to get enough firewood to keep warm, without bush snowshoes. Knee high snow, sure get firewood. with skills you won't need so much gear. priority is water, shelter, rescue. food is nice. just my opinion, the video gives backcountry people something to think about.

i would suggest, trying out all your equipment in the backyard long before you need it, make changes as needed, then try it out in 6-7 ft of snow, where you ride. Just to see how it works, make some more changes if needed. You might ,ditch the jetboil for an alcohol stove, way lighter, may work better as butane needs heat! find things with multi purpose lighten the load. any idea how much firewood you'll need? how you going to get warm as the fire keeps sinking away into a 6ft hole, with u 12 ft away? JMHO.

take a few classes out at karamat ( https://karamat.com/courses/winter-course/), one of the best!

Goliath · Feb 28, 2021

You Nailed it! This is what this post is for, to inform people and also have people like you step in and offer their input!

I am doing a video of me using some of the equipment in that video. I stayed in the forest in my backyard and it was about -17 in the morning. I believe everyone should try their equipment out!

Firewood is absolutely what was the hardest part. Especially when nothing burns.

Stay tuned for my overnight experience with my gear!

Thanks for the input!

imdoo'n said:
good video may make people think , only i think you got way to much stuff, why the barbecue cover, when you have a couple tarps and a roll of plastic. you have a few 24hr candles in your pack, build a snow shelter and xnay the firewood. in 6ft of snow you will kill yourself trying to get enough firewood to keep warm, without bush snowshoes. Knee high snow, sure get firewood. with skills you won't need so much gear. priority is water, shelter, rescue. food is nice. just my opinion, the video gives backcountry people something to think about.

i would suggest, trying out all your equipment in the backyard long before you need it, make changes as needed, then try it out in 6-7 ft of snow, where you ride. Just to see how it works, make some more changes if needed. You might ,ditch the jetboil for an alcohol stove, way lighter, may work better as butane needs heat! find things with multi purpose lighten the load. any idea how much firewood you'll need? how you going to get warm as the fire keeps sinking away into a 6ft hole, with u 12 ft away? JMHO.

take a few classes out at karamat ( https://karamat.com/courses/winter-course/), one of the best!

imdoo'n · Feb 28, 2021

Goliath said:
You Nailed it! This is what this post is for, to inform people and also have people like you step in and offer their input!

I am doing a video of me using some of the equipment in that video. I stayed in the forest in my backyard and it was about -17 in the morning. I believe everyone should try their equipment out!

Firewood is absolutely what was the hardest part. Especially when nothing burns.

Stay tuned for my overnight experience with my gear!

Thanks for the input!

was hoping you didn't take it as bashing? your vid was good, may get people to think, most wont even carry beacons let alone know how to use them. best to start some where and discard what doesn't work and always ask questions. :thumbsup2:

imdoo'n · Feb 28, 2021

nice thing about a Quincy/snow cave is the temps stay close to 0c, and with snowmobile gear you will be ok over night, a couple candles, alcohol stove, sterno etc will keep you comfortable in a snow shelter, just don't get it too hot, as to melt inside of shelter, you will suffocate when surface freezes. won't be a holiday inn though! but better than sleeping under a picnic table? haha. :twocents:

Goliath · Feb 28, 2021

No Bashing taken haha. Id rather be open and honest then frozen to death. Like I said, everyone wants to think about having fun, but what about when its not fun.

Please share this video and subscribe!

Cheers

imdoo'n said:
was hoping you didn't take it as bashing? your vid was good, may get people to think, most wont even carry beacons let alone know how to use them. best to start some where and discard what doesn't work and always ask questions.

Goliath · Feb 28, 2021

A Quincy is ideal, if the snow conditions are I deal. If the snow was right for a Quincy, we most likely could have got out of there on our sleds. The sled was dry powder that would not hold a shape. Its important to prepare for more than what you hope for.

imdoo'n said:
nice thing about a Quincy/snow cave is the temps stay close to 0c, and with snowmobile gear you will be ok over night, a couple candles, alcohol stove, sterno etc will keep you comfortable in a snow shelter, just don't get it too hot, as to melt inside of shelter, you will suffocate when surface freezes. won't be a holiday inn though! but better than sleeping under a picnic table? haha.

imdoo'n · Feb 28, 2021

Goliath said:
A Quincy is ideal, if the snow conditions are I deal. If the snow was right for a Quincy, we most likely could have got out of there on our sleds. The sled was dry powder that would not hold a shape. Its important to prepare for more than what you hope for.

yes! could you guys use your shovels to pile up snow, let it setup/freeze for an hour or two? then dig a snow shelter in the mound? kids do it all the time here, and with 2-3 ft of snow? i was also thinking about the super shelter, not sure how it would work in deep snow? a couple feet yes. but you guys had no way to pack down the snow? and it would still take a lot of firewood to operate.
i assume you guys had barely anything to work with? a couple tarps may have really helped, also u-tube has vids on bush snowshoes, for getting firewood!

imdoo'n · Feb 28, 2021

surviaval requires at minimum

Water
fire
shelter
food
medical
signal
a good start at least, build a kit around those parameters and you should be in good shape.

imdoo'n · Feb 28, 2021

Goliath said:
A Quincy is ideal, if the snow conditions are I deal. If the snow was right for a Quincy, we most likely could have got out of there on our sleds. The sled was dry powder that would not hold a shape. Its important to prepare for more than what you hope for.

u can also get under an evergreen tree, dig out around tree well, fill holes in tree canopy with bows from another tree, make a place to sit etc. will need to have some way of signalling rescue like smoke, flashing light , bright signal sheet , radio?

this is brilliant! replace skies with spruce bows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFulopbUGKI

RGM · Mar 1, 2021

My top survival list.
1a. Good clothing and boots. If you are wet it will be a miserable night.
1B. two way sat device. It can make the difference in spending a night or not, it would 1a but there are two many reason a heli might not be able to fly. text your spouse that everything is OK even if it isn't is pretty important.
2. shelter, if possible get down as low in elevation as practical. If you can't get down from the alpine (weather/injury etc) you are just going to have to dig in the best you can. If you can get into a tight bunch of trees it will be easier to dig in and get out of the weather. Use everything on your sled. take off your seat, your gas, side panels to sit on and keep your feet off the snow and block wind. Pretty much everyone already carries a hand saw
3. It will be a long cold boring night. make sure you move around if you are cold. Hand warmers will make a big difference. Leave your helmet and goggles on if cold.
4. Make sure you have away to charge your phone and sat device. USB charger on your sled or battery pack. Make sure SAR knows your radio frequency and monitor ladd3 if you have a dual channel VHF or 16 if FRS radio.

Anything else is pretty much just for comfort.

Goliath · Mar 1, 2021

You are right, we didn't have much to work with. So here is the story. I just bought a new sled and my buddies wanted to go for a "quick day trip" to Allen Creek. I didn't have my tunnel bag on the sled. Didn't have handle bar bags etc that I normally have. When we were unloading, my avi pack canister had low pressure, so I grabbed a spare in the trailer. Because we were just going for a "quick rip" and I have been there 100 times, I let my guard down and didn't put much in the new pack. Typically I have enough survival gear for two days. This day I was very unprepared for anything but a quick rip to try the new sled out. My buddy was at the mouth of a drainage on a small cornice. He was stopped trying to turn around when it broke and filtered him into the drainage. He was down there for about two hours, before I went down to help him. He couldn't do it himself. So I dropped down to help him, thinking we could find a way up to a burn area above us, that we could see sledders on. Long story short, we never did find a way up. Just kept bringing us farther down trying to find an opening. In Hindsight we should have never went down farther. But we have been in stuff like that 100 times and got out with some work. The snow was just to light and deep. When we realized we had to spend the night, we realized how unprepared we were. I was THAT GUY, I m trying to tell other people not to be.

imdoo'n said:
yes! could you guys use your shovels to pile up snow, let it setup/freeze for an hour or two? then dig a snow shelter in the mound? kids do it all the time here, and with 2-3 ft of snow? i was also thinking about the super shelter, not sure how it would work in deep snow? a couple feet yes. but you guys had no way to pack down the snow? and it would still take a lot of firewood to operate.
i assume you guys had barely anything to work with? a couple tarps may have really helped, also u-tube has vids on bush snowshoes, for getting firewood!

Goliath · Mar 2, 2021

You Nailed it.

RGM said:
My top survival list.
1a. Good clothing and boots. If you are wet it will be a miserable night.
1B. two way sat device. It can make the difference in spending a night or not, it would 1a but there are two many reason a heli might not be able to fly. text your spouse that everything is OK even if it isn't is pretty important.
2. shelter, if possible get down as low in elevation as practical. If you can't get down from the alpine (weather/injury etc) you are just going to have to dig in the best you can. If you can get into a tight bunch of trees it will be easier to dig in and get out of the weather. Use everything on your sled. take off your seat, your gas, side panels to sit on and keep your feet off the snow and block wind. Pretty much everyone already carries a hand saw
3. It will be a long cold boring night. make sure you move around if you are cold. Hand warmers will make a big difference. Leave your helmet and goggles on if cold.
4. Make sure you have away to charge your phone and sat device. USB charger on your sled or battery pack. Make sure SAR knows your radio frequency and monitor ladd3 if you have a dual channel VHF or 16 if FRS radio.

Anything else is pretty much just for comfort.

Goliath · Mar 2, 2021

Hey Guys, My new video is up of me making a super shelter and spending the night. I couldn't cover everything or use all my gear because it was just too long. Anyways, I did it for you guys, so take a look and comment and subscribe on the channel if you haven't!

Cheers
[url]https://youtu.be/XpiJhEvQpXU [/URL]

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