No more Cat in Canada?...for awhile any how.

bcsnowdog1 · Jun 15, 2020

OTTAWA - A Federal Court judge has ruled that Ski-Doo maker BRP Inc. is entitled to $2.83 million in damages from rival Arctic Cat Inc. due to a snowmobile patent infringement.The patent relates to the type of frame used in snowmobiles such as the Ski-Doo REV line that places the rider closer to the front of the sled.Justice Yvan Roy said in his decision Monday that Arctic Cat must pay BRP a royalty of $135 per unit on each of the nearly 21,000 snowmobiles infringing on the patent that were sold in Canada between 2008 and 2014.The court also issued a permanent injunction that prevents Arctic Cat from selling snowmobiles that violate the frame patent. The matter of damages suffered by BRP after 2014 has been referred to another judge.

west coast · Jun 16, 2020

Just part of the trade war with the usa.

jhurkot · Jun 16, 2020

niner said:
pretty sure doo wants the alpha skid, track,c tech engine and cat clutches. Those are the missing pieces for doo to be a contender...

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

snopro · Jun 16, 2020

ABMax24 said:
There's precious little that BRP could patent. It must be a new innovative idea to qualify for a patent, it took BRP's engineers over 10 years to catch on to what the aftermarket was doing.

So we can assume Polaris and Cat are even slower to catch up to the aftermarket?

fynnigan · Jun 16, 2020

The new yammies are running the same chassis?

NoBrakes! · Jun 16, 2020

fynnigan said:
The new yammies are running the same chassis?

I was wondering this....

GreyGhost · Jun 16, 2020

fynnigan said:
The new yammies are running the same chassis?

Yeah basically a blue cat but with better power.....

Foxstar45 · Jun 16, 2020

Where is cat going to pull an all new sled out from? These things take years to develop. Not to mention a huge investment. They're going to pay for this new project while cutting their declining sales in half now. They've been running out the clock for years with the chassis they had. Writing's on the wall. They done.

Lund · Jun 16, 2020

Wow, what a low move on BRP, what ever happened to good old ethic's of hard honest competition.
I guess when your a chicken chet and the compitition gets a little to much to bare cut them off at the ankle and stomp down on them, yep BRP way of keeping the market, steal it or kill it when an opertunity comes.
If this comes true, snowmobile industry in Canada just got grimmer for guys liking options. It will be like having peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for lunch, every lunch from now on......BORING.
Ah who cares, sledding is a dying sport anyhow, between the industry and sledder's in general sledding will be something that happened.

Bogger · Jun 16, 2020

Foxstar45 said:
Where is cat going to pull an all new sled out from? These things take years to develop. Not to mention a huge investment. They're going to pay for this new project while cutting their declining sales in half now. They've been running out the clock for years with the chassis they had. Writing's on the wall. They done.

I would hope that...… This decision is not the first AC has heard of this issue and if they have competent leadership they must have considered that this was a possible outcome of the suit. If this is the case one would hope that they have been working on engineering and development of a new chassis long before this decision was made. Might mean that Cat is going to roll out something new, but it says the infringement was 2008-2014 so one would think that 2015-current are not affected by the ruling.

If Cat is caught with their pants down by this decision then shame on them and they deserve to fail, but in the grand scheme of things $2.8M is a pittance and all they need to do is strike a deal with BRP for royalties to continue selling. On the surface it seems bad for the Cat dealer network but who knows it may just be a bump in the road, unfortunately that road is quickly falling apart for other reasons so any bump could be the straw that breaks the camels back.

I like the "stop the sale, use and distribution of any snowmobile which would infringe BRP’s frame patent"
How can they enforce at stop to the "Use" of a particular model?
How are trade in's affected if they can not sell used units?

Glad I sold my 14 pro-climb last year and jumped to an Axys…..

NoBrakes! · Jun 16, 2020

not 100% but I think stop sale/use is more common than we think. When a warranty issue has no fix, it usually results in a stop ride/sell. RZR 1000 turbo fire breather comes to mind.

Rally · Jun 16, 2020

BRP is probably mafia run company funded by liberals.

Bnorth · Jun 16, 2020

One would hope that being on the same chassis since 2012 with only a revision in 2018 that Cat has another chassis in development but their finances were so poor pre Textron that maybe they don't have much in the works yet. Too bad, I love my Cat and my local dealer support is second to none.

Cat401 · Jun 16, 2020

Does anyone knows the details of this?
2008 to 2014??? two totally different designs....what is the common denominator

BRP sued Arctic Cat for 56 patent infringements in 2017 but lost out on all of them....what sets this one apart?

NoBrakes! · Jun 16, 2020

I read "ProCross subframe" in the article

Bnorth · Jun 16, 2020

Cat401 said:
Does anyone knows the details of this?
2008 to 2014??? two totally different designs....what is the common denominator

BRP sued Arctic Cat for 56 patent infringements in 2017 but lost out on all of them....what sets this one apart?

NoBrakes! said:
I read "ProCross subframe" in the article

The Procross came out in 2008 while the old M chassis was still in production and it evolved into the Pro chassis in 2012.

NoBrakes! · Jun 16, 2020

What's really embarrassing about all of this? only 21,000 unit sales in 6 model years from 2008 to 2014 lol

maxwell · Jun 16, 2020

Bogger said:
I would hope that...… This decision is not the first AC has heard of this issue and if they have competent leadership they must have considered that this was a possible outcome of the suit. If this is the case one would hope that they have been working on engineering and development of a new chassis long before this decision was made. Might mean that Cat is going to roll out something new, but it says the infringement was 2008-2014 so one would think that 2015-current are not affected by the ruling.

If Cat is caught with their pants down by this decision then shame on them and they deserve to fail, but in the grand scheme of things $2.8M is a pittance and all they need to do is strike a deal with BRP for royalties to continue selling. On the surface it seems bad for the Cat dealer network but who knows it may just be a bump in the road, unfortunately that road is quickly falling apart for other reasons so any bump could be the straw that breaks the camels back.

I like the "stop the sale, use and distribution of any snowmobile which would infringe BRP’s frame patent"
How can they enforce at stop to the "Use" of a particular model?
How are trade in's affected if they can not sell used units?

Glad I sold my 14 pro-climb last year and jumped to an Axys…..

exactly, if anyone thinks theyve been caught with their pants down i highly doubt it. Textron would not have taken over without some sort of solution to that problem. i mean....i would hope...lol

acesup800 · Jun 16, 2020

NoBrakes! said:
What's really embarrassing about all of this? only 21,000 unit sales in 6 model years from 2008 to 2014 lol

Well, it is only for Canadian sales and the chassis switch didn't happen until 2012, so the 21,000 units are only for 2012 - 2014. The lawsuit goes back to 2008 only because Cat was using the chassis on some race sleds etc before production runs in 2012.

NoBrakes! · Jun 16, 2020

dgiles said:
Well, it is only for Canadian sales and the chassis switch didn't happen until 2012, so the 21,000 units are only for 2012 - 2014. The lawsuit goes back to 2008 only because Cat was using the chassis on some race sleds etc before production runs in 2012.

Ya but BRP sold 1000 new turbos in a week lol

No more Cat in Canada?...for awhile any how.

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