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850T Update
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Is that all 1700 km of soot on that plastic or have you cleaned it before?... cuz that's gonna look like chit on tha FR grey
sweet pic tho!
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dealer told me GGB was working on a can. Said will have one ready when pick up time comes
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Is that all 1700 km of soot on that plastic or have you cleaned it before?... cuz that's gonna look like chit on tha FR grey
sweet pic tho!
ive wiped it off once, If you clean it with XPS cleaner once in a while it will look like new.
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dealer told me GGB was working on a can. Said will have one ready when pick up time comes
Did you order a 850T?
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dealer told me GGB was working on a can. Said will have one ready when pick up time comes
If you want less HP that is a good way to go. The ski-doo engineers have tested them all and found the only one that does not lose hp is the dimond S can and it does not make any more, i have no idea why guys would pay for extra hp then lower it with a can, you can sway any dyno numbers to make it look good, for sure do what you want, just trying to save ya money. worst investment you can make in my opinion.
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It would lower the power to weight ratio a hair but hardly worth the hassle, cash and NOISE. Sure love stock can life. The diamond S does look like a nice peice, if it drops 10 lbs and sounds decent guys will buy them up
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i did! 165 FR with 2 year. Worked out to only 3300 more for a turbo but less 2 years warranty then na. It's financed so big whoop...you gonna help me sell my 15 FR right buddy ol pal? haha
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I know you ordered a new one, just didn’t know it has a T! That’ll be one sweet machine, I can’t wait to give it a try....
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You are going form a 15 freerdie to a 2021 Freeride Turbo! Oh man someone get a photo of your face and comments after your first rip, your gonna love it man! Congrats!
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Would 10lbs really be worth it? are you gonna feel 10lbs lighter on a turbo? I know on a 2 smoke a suitcase is huge. I'm turbo tarded an newbie so excuse dumb questions but i like my sled to bark....not annoying loud but not stock, sad to admit but id buy a can for the sound...
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i dont think you would notice it no, but on paper it would help. Im pretty sure your going to enjoy the sound of the Wastegate more than the can haha!. Try it stock first
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So for my buddy that rides an Expert, he said when he rides the turbo it is noticeable heavier and was on the fence about ordering one because of this. Why not get a good quality can and have no doubts.
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if someone who had a can had the stock can put back in without them knowing and sounded the same, they would not notice, anyone who says yes is lying, i use to have this convo with electric start then guys saying they feel the weight and it is 20 pounds. i call BS, then if so they can feel their gas getting lower as the day goes on, some guys say yes, which is funny as they say they would notice that when their skid at the same time has been filling up with powder and ice. You wont notice it, I come from racing bikes and counting every gram but you wont notice this weight unless your trying to beat keith curtis to the top of jackson hill climb and again it would be more psychological than actually making a difference. Like Maxwell says ride it first, the sound of the turbo is way more impressive than a can. I guarentee you will feel the same after riding it. Again no problem with guys buying cans, but you are just throwing your dollars away, skidoo spends a huge amount of money in design and noise and power efficiency. It would be huge money and time to come close to beating it.
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I used to buy cans. There was a guy on here (Lund) explaining how they affect the balance and handling, Think about it the manufacturer designed it to be balanced. He was crucified by closed minds. I was getting a new sled when this was going on so I tried it with stock can. I believe he is correct. It is plenty loud enough in my mind, I even wouldn't mind it even quieter.
Try it.....I will never waste money on a can again...use it for gas and oilormore useful accesories
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I was told it felt heavier as well before I rode it and wish i never heard that, i felt it a bit but man that was quickly forgotten once I rode it for three days, i definately felt tighter in my upper back the first 2 weeks but was not sure if that was from all the riding and how powerful the new turbo is and the 4500 km of driving i did in between all that riding on the road trip over to fernie down to yellowstone and around and then back home or just the sled, after those 2 weeks, i never felt the weight once, in fact it feels lighter as it gets up quicker, rides on top and is so easy to ride. We have seen nothing but awesome reports from riders of all brands who have spent time on the turbo but just like when guys tried the expert for the first time, they did not notice all the benefits, that comes with more seat time and the guys who own a turbo or have spent a lot of time on them know how fun and awesome it is, next year, you will see as what guys will be saying. Like every year, guys dont believe what i say, saying I am just hyping the sled, then when the sled comes out, and they ride it, they say the exact same things. Case in point is the expert, guys said the stuff wont make a difference, now it is the sled everyone raves about, if anything I tone down my response to a lot of the new stuff as I dont want to be over the top. It is very hard with the Turbo, it has changed how fun riding is, made it so much more fun in a way that everyone can experience it, without knowing how to tune or tear apart a sled on every ride. Kuster has taken 50 pounds out of a 175, it is amazing and easy to do, not over the top expensive and the sled and is also in moving parts which makes a big difference. For sure you could take a stock expert and reduce the weight by a big margin and it will make a big difference, however the cost will be about the same as the turbo, and personally I would rather have the turbo.
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I was also crucified for that as well. Removing weight from one side of the sled does affect the balance.
Stock can on my 850 goes the same places as a 850 with a can. I just do it alot quieter. Lol
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every can ive tried on an etec always changed the power band, not sure if you found that aswell. WOT was not effected but the power delivery through the midrange certainly was. Maybe not a loss but just the delivery, Etec is very linear, the cans turn it into a curve.
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What he said
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You are only arguing against your own logic here because this turbo is not center mounted so if the N/A sled was designed with balance in mind and then a 15 lb turbo was added to one side only, you have thrown away all that engineering to balance the sled. Now if you offset the extra weight of the turbo by lightening the can then you have re-gained the designed balance. And yes you can get used to anything but if some guy is jumping back and forth between an Expert and an 850T and decides he does not like the difference then all I am saying is with a can you may get all the pluses without any of the negatives. I have read posts of guys regretting their T850 purchase and all of them were to do with nose weight. I think it is just a bit short sighted to sell it rather than making right when it is that easy to do. If you are happy with it how it is out of the box, all the better.
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