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Foxstar45 · Apr 6, 2021

'As cool as it is?' What's cool about it? The impracticality is precisely what makes this whole thing so uncool..

Everything that makes this sled different also makes it worse. Imagine we were all running electric machines for the past 30 years and some manufacturer came out with a gas powered sled. We'd all lose our GD minds over it. Here I made chart relating to snowmobile progression..

OOC ZigZag · Apr 6, 2021

Foxstar45 said:
'As cool as it is?' What's cool about it? The impracticality is precisely what makes this whole thing so uncool..

Everything that makes this sled different also makes it worse. Imagine we were all running electric machines for the past 30 years and some manufacturer came out with a gas powered sled. We'd all lose our GD minds over it. Here I made chart relating to snowmobile progression..

Lmfao ya all that battery powered chit just excels it’s longevity with cold temps......... said no sane person ever.

Caper11 · Apr 6, 2021

Foxstar45 said:
'As cool as it is?' What's cool about it? The impracticality is precisely what makes this whole thing so uncool..

Everything that makes this sled different also makes it worse. Imagine we were all running electric machines for the past 30 years and some manufacturer came out with a gas powered sled. We'd all lose our GD minds over it. Here I made chart relating to snowmobile progression..

That diagram is closer to reality than everyone thinks. GM pledged to have a ICE replaced by 2035. So if a major automaker is going that route. ICE toys will be gone before that.

Modman · Apr 6, 2021

Foxstar45 said:
'As cool as it is?' What's cool about it? The impracticality is precisely what makes this whole thing so uncool..

Everything that makes this sled different also makes it worse. Imagine we were all running electric machines for the past 30 years and some manufacturer came out with a gas powered sled. We'd all lose our GD minds over it. Here I made chart relating to snowmobile progression..

Why could we not have a small hybrid sled? Briggs and Stratton powering a generator.... I think some folks are thinking too narrow minded with this issue.

BRP did it right and introduced the Spark model for seadoos, because they knew the sport was going to die if they didn't get new people in. Sledding will suffer a similar fate if we are not careful. You can buy 2 sparks for the price of 1 sled and the whole family can go. This is for a sport that has longer, warmer days, better roads and no jerks at the warm up cabin, far more perks than what sledding has to offer. Same thing with quads. Just priced out a new 750 quad, I can buy 2 and use them 9 months of the year easy. If people are looking to spend a purchasing dollar, it needs to carry farther these days. Once the Chinese start making sleds, look out because consumers are going to start realizing just how much they are being taken for a ride with sled pricing.

When I talk about taking new people sledding, one of three things usually come up - sleds smell, they are noisy or its too cold. An electric or hybrid sled fixes 2 out of 3 of these problems and would be a great tool for marginalized sledders (meaning those who sled for convenience at their lake cottage and not as a true passion like some mountain sledders) and to help dispel those myths about sledding. For people out east who need a sled to go out on the lake for fishing or just to pull the kids around, etc etc, an electric sled would be perfect. No smoke, no noise to piss off the neighbours etc. If electric sleds allow operators in places like yellowstone, banff, or Revy to get people out to see nature in the winter who normally wouldn't sled, and that in turn helps open their eyes and helps others advocate for sledding and access rights, then we are also winning.

That isn't the only benefit. From a manufacturers standpoint, having some of your fleet as electric or hybrid allows you to defer emissions to other models, meaning we could have bigger displacement sleds, more power on other models, or another engine size or model altogether. Just because its different, doesn't mean its bad.

acesup800 · Apr 6, 2021

Modman said:
Why could we not have a small hybrid sled? Briggs and Stratton powering a generator.... I think some folks are thinking too narrow minded with this issue.

BRP did it right and introduced the Spark model for seadoos, because they knew the sport was going to die if they didn't get new people in. Sledding will suffer a similar fate if we are not careful. You can buy 2 sparks for the price of 1 sled and the whole family can go. This is for a sport that has longer, warmer days, better roads and no jerks at the warm up cabin, far more perks than what sledding has to offer. Same thing with quads. Just priced out a new 750 quad, I can buy 2 and use them 9 months of the year easy. If people are looking to spend a purchasing dollar, it needs to carry farther these days. Once the Chinese start making sleds, look out because consumers are going to start realizing just how much they are being taken for a ride with sled pricing.

When I talk about taking new people sledding, one of three things usually come up - sleds smell, they are noisy or its too cold. An electric or hybrid sled fixes 2 out of 3 of these problems and would be a great tool for marginalized sledders (meaning those who sled for convenience at their lake cottage and not as a true passion like some mountain sledders) and to help dispel those myths about sledding. For people out east who need a sled to go out on the lake for fishing or just to pull the kids around, etc etc, an electric sled would be perfect. No smoke, no noise to piss off the neighbours etc. If electric sleds allow operators in places like yellowstone, banff, or Revy to get people out to see nature in the winter who normally wouldn't sled, and that in turn helps open their eyes and helps others advocate for sledding and access rights, then we are also winning.

That isn't the only benefit. From a manufacturers standpoint, having some of your fleet as electric or hybrid allows you to defer emissions to other models, meaning we could have bigger displacement sleds, more power on other models, or another engine size or model altogether. Just because its different, doesn't mean its bad.

Or a group gets together and sees that a few of these electric sleds seem to work for touring around the lake pulling kids for an hour or two and decide that is good enough for all and just like that, all ICE sleds are banned.

skegpro · Apr 6, 2021

See Mark Abma was out on a couple Taigas, made it back the truck on 3% battery.

https://instagram.com/markabma?igshid=c59ru53i7nq6

Couch · Apr 7, 2021

Range and weight - as tech moves forward range per weight will undoubtedly increase and at some point it will reach tipping point / critical mass at which point ice is toast ....
Time is the unknown.

Imo ev has potential to wipe the floor with ice and will push in on touring, competition and utility markets first with mountain being the last to fall. No rush to get one yet but expect that at some point it will happen.
Ice has improved considerably since inception but now incremental improvements become more complex and expensive ...new boost is $23/24k cdn plus tax and fees ... personally I'll wait till used become available ....

jhurkot · Apr 7, 2021

dgiles said:
Or a group gets together and sees that a few of these electric sleds seem to work for touring around the lake pulling kids for an hour or two and decide that is good enough for all and just like that, all ICE sleds are banned.

Don't worry, your exploding clutch and bogging POS cat will not be banned any time soon.

OOC ZigZag · Apr 7, 2021

jhurkot said:
Don't worry, your exploding clutch and bogging POS cat will not be banned any time soon.

o zone guy · Apr 7, 2021

the KaRMA KoWBoY is neVeR Too farr awaY

Modman · Apr 7, 2021

dgiles said:
Or a group gets together and sees that a few of these electric sleds seem to work for touring around the lake pulling kids for an hour or two and decide that is good enough for all and just like that, all ICE sleds are banned.

Theatrics. Did that happen to ICE vehicles? For range and weight, they will simply not be able to wholesale ban the internal combustion engine. Likely will never happen. Alternative fuel sources will be needed (like biofuel or synthetics to supply the dwindling amounts of petro-sources that run out) long before they ban the ICE. They will advance things like direct injection and as they get things sorted out from the producers, we may see a shift in sled powertrains to things like smaller displacement with turbos (Like the new 2.7 L ecoboost - Imagine a 600 cc 2 stroke @ 15 lbs) to manage emissions, or even different models like snowbikes being offered. Unfortunately the writing on the wall is that change is needed. Look at outboards and dirtbikes, they changed but are not obsolete.

acesup800 · Apr 7, 2021

jhurkot said:
Don't worry, your exploding clutch and bogging POS cat will not be banned any time soon.

That was kinda uncalled for....?

jhurkot · Apr 12, 2021

My buddy rode the Taiga. Compared it to a touring sled. Yikes. It was only the 120hp model and he said the mapping was bad.

Teth-Air · Apr 12, 2021

jhurkot said:
My buddy rode the Taiga. Compared it to a touring sled. Yikes. It was only the 120hp model and he said the mapping was bad.

Johnny, aren't you getting old enough to move to a touring sled? Maybe you should give me that turbo you have coming? ; )

o zone guy · Apr 14, 2021

Teth-Air said:
Johnny, aren't you getting old enough to move to a touring sled? Maybe you should give me that turbo you have coming? ; )

youRs hands are to Big ... LoL

Teth-Air · Apr 14, 2021

o zone guy said:
youRs hands are to Big ... LoL

Too weak maybe?

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