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cattechsummitrider · Feb 20, 2019

I really wish they made the expert in a 175
It wouldn't have been that difficult

maxwell · Feb 20, 2019

cattechsummitrider said:
I really wish they made the expert in a 175
It wouldn't have been that difficult

have to leave something for next year

but realistically the market they are targeting with the expert the 165 is the favored option

snopro · Feb 20, 2019

cattechsummitrider said:
I really wish they made the expert in a 175
It wouldn't have been that difficult

I agree. Definitely have heard some feedback on this issue from my customer base.

cattechsummitrider · Feb 20, 2019

snopro said:
I agree. Definitely have heard some feedback on this issue from my customer base.

True the 165 and below are the main target for the expert , But having that option on the 175 would have got me ordering one, Instead I will hold on to my old one

What are your customers saying snopro?

snopro · Feb 20, 2019

cattechsummitrider said:
True the 165 and below are the main target for the expert , But having that option on the 175 would have got me ordering one, Instead I will hold on to my old one

What are your customers saying snopro?

A couple 175 guys have snow checked 165's because its new and they have to have it. A couple guys have said they will just ride theirs another year. The more bullets you have in your gun is always better than being short. We would have sold quite a few in my opinion.

Rotax_Kid · Feb 20, 2019

I think what Doo has come out with is a pretty good strategy. They are nearing the end of the G4 chassis run. They throw just enough out there to create a special model without making many major engineering moves to entice new buyers. Don't be surprised if the motor gets a slight, unannounced bump in the Expert. This is remminiscent of other late chassis runs in the past. What the buyer is getting is likely the best running version of that chassis run.

I believe the Expert is giving a lot of value considering what they are adding in comparison to the more expensive Freeride. Not saying they are cheap, because they are definitely not, but you are getting more bang for your buck.

Keep in mind, change doesn't happen for the sake of change. Change happens in this industry only with bean counter approval.

snopro · Feb 20, 2019

I looked at the price list and the difference between a Black 165x with manual start and a Black 165 Expert with manual start is $750. So the value is definitely there if you break down all the changes dollar to dollar.

maxwell · Feb 20, 2019

snopro said:
A couple 175 guys have snow checked 165's because its new and they have to have it. A couple guys have said they will just ride theirs another year. The more bullets you have in your gun is always better than being short. We would have sold quite a few in my opinion.

interesting

seeing alot of guys going away from the 175 after trying it the first year.

but there will always be the guys that want the top climbing machine for sure

niner · Feb 20, 2019

snopro said:
Great points. I put a lot of stock in guys like Carl Kuster and Rob Alford. They are experts. I feel if they made these changes because they felt it would make the platform better then that is good enough for me. I can't understand how someone can say I only want 2 things from this platform because I have a big cardboard box of aftermarket parts in my garage that I will put on it if I buy one. If they had put Fox floats on it someone would have complained about that to. If they put a Boondocker turbo on it there would be guys complaining it wasn't a Silber. Yep Snow and Mud. Lotsa experts. Lol

I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone wish they had a Silber....

snopro · Feb 20, 2019

maxwell said:
interesting

seeing alot of guys going away from the 175 after trying it the first year.

but there will always be the guys that want the top climbing machine for sure

We sell a lot of them. With Golden, Revy and Sicamous the major destination's for most of our customer base the 175 fits the bill with the big pow days

cattechsummitrider · Feb 20, 2019

maxwell said:
interesting

seeing alot of guys going away from the 175 after trying it the first year.

but there will always be the guys that want the top climbing machine for sure

Not much into climbing, But do alot of exploring and trying to find new areas,, That is where the 175 really works good

skegpro · Feb 20, 2019

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snopro · Feb 20, 2019

skegpro said:
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I guess its their snocross sled.

snopro · Feb 20, 2019

skegpro said:
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Surprisingly close to the guy that used to do the graphics back in the late 2000's. Just missing the chin hair and did not like criticism on his creations. Lol.

Jsymes · Feb 20, 2019

snopro said:
From the way Norona talked at Club the 154 with the 3 inch track will come over backwards on the steep stuff a lot easier with out the tunnel to dig in and stop it. He actually warned about it happening as he had experienced this or saw it by his account. The limiter adjuster may be nicer than one thinks for the really steep stuff. Carl was the one that wanted the handguards. He feels with handguards you won't need to run handwarmers and your gloves won't get wet and iced up giving you a better grip on the bars. I remember him talking about that when riding with him one time. They are easy to pitch if you don't like them

I don't really use the hand warmers anyways, and I dont know how much the wheelie over backwards comments are true, I'd have to ride it to know for sure I guess but I believe shock set up and riding style would play more into wheeling over backwards than the tunnel.

Jsymes · Feb 20, 2019

takethebounce said:
There are either a significant amount of experts on here or those who think they are. Hmmm.

I know a few guys who like the quick adjuster on the limiter strap. They may not use it every day but as conditions change they easily change their set up.

The price is between the standard Summit and Freeride for the Expert.

The new suspension is %20 stiffer. Hard to say how it performs but people have already written it off by looking at specs and photos. Interesting.

The new spindle set up with ski stop isn’t a new idea. Munster actually makes a ski stop bolt on for the Summits so they have obviously felt it helped.

People talk about paying more for something they don’t want yet it’s not like that over bore motor cost you an extra $3500-4500 vs getting another 50cc from your 800. I have never seen so much complaining about hand guards. The last three new dirt bikes came with little flag style hand guards that I wouldn’t ever use so I replace them. It wasn’t a deal breaker.

I am surprised no one mentioned the torsion springs. Or if they did I missed their post. Anyhow more fresh snow on the ground. Off to ride again.

People don't wanna be forced to pay for something they don't need or want, that explains the hand guards. Also I think most of us have given up on the idea of no torsion springs, that's probably why no one mentions much.

Jsymes · Feb 20, 2019

snopro said:
Great points. I put a lot of stock in guys like Carl Kuster and Rob Alford. They are experts. I feel if they made these changes because they felt it would make the platform better then that is good enough for me. I can't understand how someone can say I only want 2 things from this platform because I have a big cardboard box of aftermarket parts in my garage that I will put on it if I buy one. If they had put Fox floats on it someone would have complained about that to. If they put a Boondocker turbo on it there would be guys complaining it wasn't a Silber. Yep Snow and Mud. Lotsa experts. Lol

Just because I've got a box of aftermarket parts I like to put on my sleds year after year doesn't make me an expert, I'm far from it actually. But rather than gamble on what's gonna come out, I have just found what I like and what works for me and it just makes sense to buy those and cycle them throughout years in a generation of sleds. The short tunnel appeals to me and I'm allowed to speculate on how to max my dollar and get the end result.

snopro · Feb 20, 2019

Jsymes said:
People don't wanna be forced to pay for something they don't need or want, that explains the hand warmers. Also I think most of us have given up on the idea of no torsion springs, that's probably why no one mentions much.

In regards to the handwarmers do you feel manufacturers should offer a model that doesn't have handwarmers for those that never turn them on? I think you are wanting a system like the car industry has but we are not there yet in this industry. In the whole scheme of things a sled with no handwarmers may cost more than a unit with them because they would have to stop the assembly line and change over to 25 sleds that don't want handwarmers. Its just not viable at such a small scale. I rarely use mine but when I want to use them I am glad they are there believe me.

snopro · Feb 20, 2019

Jsymes said:
Just because I've got a box of aftermarket parts I like to put on my sleds year after year doesn't make me an expert, I'm far from it actually. But rather than gamble on what's gonna come out, I have just found what I like and what works for me and it just makes sense to buy those and cycle them throughout years in a generation of sleds. The short tunnel appeals to me and I'm allowed to speculate on how to max my dollar and get the end result.

Oh I agree with you. I recycle my LINQ accs from sled to sled as well as my riser and brake reservoir protector but what I understood is you didn't want any of the extra's that you can't use/ What about all the other guys that want that stuff? How many people would buy the Expert if it only had a short tunnel? Not as many as that want all the goodies I can guarantee that. In the 40 years plus I have been in this industry I have learned one thing and that is the consumer loves extra value for the price and 14 changes for $750 is great value.

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