Bulkhead badly damaged . . .

tmo1620 said:

Your numbers are a bit off, used 2017 doo black book like 10k not $16000, 55-60% of that is 5500-6000, 900 for parts, with tax and shop supplies thats a $1000, and then 4500-5000 in labour, my buddies had a big gouge in the ski from the log he hit under the snow so insurance added in the cost of a new ski as well, parts came to 1250 on his and with 4500-5000 in labour hit over $6000 easy so insurance wrote it off, he bought it back from insurance for a good price i guess and is gonna try and fix it himself, he also got a new one with the insurance money, after all said and done a good way to get a backup mountain sled

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skegpro said:

I wonder if any welder would take a stab at welding that cast aluminum up? Be cheaper than pulling the sled apart.

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maierch said:

At most the sled needs an E & S Module- total retail cost of $884.98. How would replacing $900 in parts write off a $18,000 sled??? Typically insurance companies will write off a unit when the repairs approach 60% of it's value. Even at $16,000 60% is $9600. That's a lot of labor!

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iceman5689 said:

Dealer quoted a buddy $13000 for repairs to 2015 174", insurance paid out $13,500. And funny thing I just seen his sled for sale on kijij. Please do yourself a favor and pass on this one it was right twisted up. Called the seller and see what he had to say, had a good laugh and then called bull**** on him.

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-snowmobile/...ec/1333841999?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

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tmo1620 said:

Your numbers are a bit off, used 2017 doo black book like 10k not $16000, 55-60% of that is 5500-6000, 900 for parts, with tax and shop supplies thats a $1000, and then 4500-5000 in labour, my buddies had a big gouge in the ski from the log he hit under the snow so insurance added in the cost of a new ski as well, parts came to 1250 on his and with 4500-5000 in labour hit over $6000 easy so insurance wrote it off, he bought it back from insurance for a good price i guess and is gonna try and fix it himself, he also got a new one with the insurance money, after all said and done a good way to get a backup mountain sled

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maierch said:

40- 50 hours labour? That just blows my mind. That’s a fully trained technician working in the sled for more than a week to complete it. It would be interesting to know what BRPs flat rate on an e & s module swap is.

Seems me like dealers may be inflating the labour costs in order to write these sleds off. Keep in mind insurance companies in Alberta are a for profit business. They will not continually loose money on these claims. They will either raise premiums or train adjusters to keep the shops in check.

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snopro said:

That tech wouldn't last 5 minutes in my shop.

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maierch said:

Does BRP post a flat rate to change E & S Modules?

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1200 said:

Cant wait to get a g4

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maierch said:

40- 50 hours labour? That just blows my mind. That’s a fully trained technician working on the sled for more than a week to complete it. It would be interesting to know what BRPs flat rate on an e & s module swap is.

Seems me like dealers may be inflating the labour costs in order to write these sleds off. Keep in mind insurance companies in Alberta are a for profit business. They will not continually loose money on these claims. They will either raise premiums or train adjusters to keep the shops in check.

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maierch said:

40- 50 hours labour? That just blows my mind. That’s a fully trained technician working on the sled for more than a week to complete it. It would be interesting to know what BRPs flat rate on an e & s module swap is.

Seems me like dealers may be inflating the labour costs in order to write these sleds off. Keep in mind insurance companies in Alberta are a for profit business. They will not continually loose money on these claims. They will either raise premiums or train adjusters to keep the shops in check.

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tmo1620 said:

Closer to 30 hours, most shop rates are $140-150 around here , ive even seen $160 lol.... ouch

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snopro said:

So I'm probably gonna pizz off some peeps here and maybe some dealers but first I want to say I personally don't think these times are realistic and doubt any shop can hit these numbers and do a good job. Here is what I found in Bossweb for 2018 Flat rate times for a Summit 850 platform.

S Module 4.3 hrs
E Module 6.0 hrs

Anybody that is charging 30-50 hours for this job should be shot. Anybody that wants to argue these numbers is a troll. That is all.

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snopro said:

So I'm probably gonna pizz off some peeps here and maybe some dealers but first I want to say I personally don't think these times are realistic and doubt any shop can hit these numbers and do a good job. Here is what I found in Bossweb for 2018 Flat rate times for a Summit 850 platform.

S Module 4.3 hrs
E Module 6.0 hrs

Anybody that is charging 30-50 hours for this job should be shot. Anybody that wants to argue these numbers is a troll. That is all.

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snopro said:

So I'm probably gonna pizz off some peeps here and maybe some dealers but first I want to say I personally don't think these times are realistic and doubt any shop can hit these numbers and do a good job. Here is what I found in Bossweb for 2018 Flat rate times for a Summit 850 platform.

S Module 4.3 hrs
E Module 6.0 hrs

Anybody that is charging 30-50 hours for this job should be shot. Anybody that wants to argue these numbers is a troll. That is all.

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tmo1620 said:

Not all shops and techs are good though, for example buddy brought his 16 cat to our closest cat dealer for warranty work due to a reed failure and it took 3.5 hrs to "diagnose" the problem and another 1.5 hrs to change the reeds lol what a joke. Cat warranty only pays 1.5 hrs to diagnose and change reeds so he was out over $400 because of a "stellar" dealership. I told him what was wrong as Ive had the exact same issue on a couple cats and he told them it was reeds as well. Apparently it took them that long to figure out it was a couple broken reed petals. Last reed failure I had literally took me under 15 minutes to diagnose it with my camera and an hour to change out the petals and re assemble the sled.

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skegpro said:

I would tell them to pound sand, that's not how warrenty works.

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tex78 said:

That is warranty time tho correct??


Just like auto times and warranty times, the client pay time should be 7.5 for s and 10 ish for e module, that's without any dicking around, or replacement of any thing else that's broken that doesn't come out for s and e module damage

Now I have had a g4 that's been hit so hard in the front, was replacing the nose cone and bumper, that it took me a hour to get just the pipe out as there was no Room to move it and muffler mounts were bent enough it wasn't usable either

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snopro said:

Yes Jeff that is the warranty labor rate. Times will change for a scenario like you encountered. I can almost guarantee you that no shop is charging that time on a work order because it usually takes longer than that. However people that are saying 30-50 hours are just fear mongering of the product for their own personal agenda in my opinion.

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