2019 Yamaha 860 2 Stroke

snopro

Active VIP Member
Joined
Mar 3, 2009
Messages
101,137
Reaction score
89,290
Location
Milo,Alberta
No matter what you hear and read on these sites, well over 90% is BS. Yamaha "could" return to the 2 stroke world but why would they.
Its called market share secured. While the other three are fighting to compete and in most cases but not all struggling to sell all their current model and having to carry over models a costly endeavor. Yamaha doesn't have any competition in their market share (4 stroke), the other three all tried and failed miserably at it.
Yamaha is involved in many other things and have always done well, motorcycles,watercraft, outboards, atv's, automotive component development such as EFI, musical instruments and so on. The sled part of their business is a part of numerous others that make Yamaha who they are today.
While some western rider's have wishful thinking, Yamaha small market in the west is solely owned by Yamaha and in the east Yamaha has a significantly larger market but more importantly has NO competition again. What they do have is true loyal fallowing of customers throughout the west and east.
If you want a 2 stroke, there are 3 other's fighting in the corner for your business. If your a 4 stroke fan and want a 4 stroke, look no further, there is no one but Yamaha.
Very smart on Yamaha, they own their market and that secures their future, can't say that about those other 3.
So dream on about a Yammi 2 stroke, it ain't happening as the 4 stroke sled business is just too good....no competition.
Wow......yes they have no competition. You are telling everyone that Yamaha is happy with single digit market share?
 

06yamahaapex

Active VIP Member
Joined
Sep 10, 2007
Messages
548
Reaction score
901
Location
Stony Plain
Wow......yes they have no competition. You are telling everyone that Yamaha is happy with single digit market share?

After you spend some time sledding in the east Ill agree with Lund. Four strokes are growing and growing on that side of the country. Who wants to be rebuilding 2 smokes every year anyway.
 

Lund

Active VIP Member
Joined
May 4, 2013
Messages
4,243
Reaction score
11,242
Location
Vernon/Kelowna
Wow......yes they have no competition. You are telling everyone that Yamaha is happy with single digit market share?

LOL, thats narrow minded, sounds like sleds is the only thing that pays the bills at Yamaha......maybe with the other's it does.
 
Last edited:

snopro

Active VIP Member
Joined
Mar 3, 2009
Messages
101,137
Reaction score
89,290
Location
Milo,Alberta
LOL, thats narrow minded, sounds like sleds is the only thing that pays the bills at Yamaha......maybe with the other's it does.
Seeing we are talking about snowmobiles and a proposed new 2 stroke I guess its my bad?:confused: Maybe the guitar division is supporting the motorsports division? Lucky for them.
 

armascott

Armaguard
Joined
Dec 1, 2013
Messages
648
Reaction score
786
Location
St.Albert
That would be sweet to have a modern chassis 2 stroke Yamaha sled. It looks like Yamaha is introducing a 65cc 2 smoker dirt bike, which is awesome IMO. Just sucks that I bit the bullet and bought my little guy a KTM 65 in the fall. I know it's a different industry , but maybe Yamaha is starting to think about introducing new 2 stroke powered machines.
 

skegpro

Active VIP Member
Joined
May 11, 2009
Messages
9,930
Reaction score
21,329
Location
In them hills.
Maybe they will put a Cat engine in cats chassis with Yamaha badges.....

Cat uses one of their engines.....
 

snopro

Active VIP Member
Joined
Mar 3, 2009
Messages
101,137
Reaction score
89,290
Location
Milo,Alberta
Yamaha certainly has the resources to dominate yet they choose not to? It will be cool if this rumor is true. Will force everyone else to step it up again.
 

Saskgrizz

Active member
Joined
May 26, 2013
Messages
41
Reaction score
103
Location
SESask
No competition? skidoo has three sizes of four stroke, 600, 900 and 1200. They sell a lot of them, more than Yamaha does.
 

Lund

Active VIP Member
Joined
May 4, 2013
Messages
4,243
Reaction score
11,242
Location
Vernon/Kelowna
Another thing that a lot of north american's, especially sledder's will cringe at, is 2 strokes do not fit the Yamaha core value and philosophy that they set for them selves. There is plenty of info. and reads on this, take some time to review it, what i posted here is only one of many more reads.
https://global.yamaha-motor.com/about/csr/the_environment/reduction-co2/index.html
The core value they have set for them selves and in the grand scheme of things 2 strokes can not reliably be made to meet certain standards that fit their goals. So no 2 strokes.
 

Steve D

Active VIP Member
Joined
Feb 3, 2010
Messages
611
Reaction score
1,018
Location
.
Yup......but they still sell more of them.

And Yamaha probably sells more 4-stroke bikes than the entire snowmobile industry produces sleds of either engine type. What's the point of this argument?
 

snochuk

Active VIP Member
Joined
Nov 9, 2006
Messages
6,138
Reaction score
19,818
Location
Edmonton


And Yamaha probably sells more 4-stroke bikes than the entire snowmobile industry produces sleds of either engine type. What's the point of this argument?

What arguement.
Everybody in agreement from what I see.
Now let's see some pics of the Yammie triple 2smoker
 

snochuk

Active VIP Member
Joined
Nov 9, 2006
Messages
6,138
Reaction score
19,818
Location
Edmonton
I have never seen a Ski -Doo 4 stroke west of Manitoba??

got a 900 at the farm and about to get a 600.
not every sled is about eyes watering behind your googles.
Sometimes quiet multistage power in one sled is required so all family members can take turns on one sled.
Amazingly quiet. Can talk while doubling without a headset and even to the ski-boose passengers.

Yamaha will no doubt be adding another 4 stroke to the 200 released.
I think an updated phaser.

2 stroke 860-I would try one if it ever happened.
 
Last edited:
Top Bottom