Caribou Closure Areas

Cableguy said:

Tour operators have dome a good job comvincing government that there income is more important than
freedom in this country , It is slowly dimishing. They want to be the only ones entertaining the weapthy

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plio7 said:

I says pardon????

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Ramjet15x said:

While doing a little Google-Earthing at lunch I thought I should swing over to the BC caribou Closure site, to look for conflicts, Fish, Wildlife and Habitat Management - Forests, Lands and Natural Resource Operations - Province of British Columbia

It is incredible how much terrain is closed to snowmobiling!!!

Essentially everything near Revelstoke, Valemount, Blue River, etc. I did notice even areas that are some of the most well know heliski areas are of limits to us

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plio7 said:

I says pardon????

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Shadam said:

Lst nite we were researching the same issue. Caribou arent the big concern, but I know an area that is closed for mtn goat. Never has anyone seen a goat in the 3 drainages covered under stupid legislaton. Nobody even hunts there except for deer nowdays.
Another area is closed for ungulates and grizzly bears. Its all total bs! Hunters say animals are much futher out.

I read alot last nite. It says all legislation governing summer and winter motorized use in bc is implemented under the wildlife act.

All the wording is soooo ambiguous! Laywers could have a great time argueing back and forth at our expense.

Wot I took out of it is its all bs. If they can heliski it, we can brapp it. Sure there are areas they can only land and other they can only pick up, but if they can build lodges and have their various machines there so can we.
There is a certain area I think it best for me not to name that has 2 heli access ski touring lodges that are considered the only area for snowmobiles in the entire river drainage! In the enitre river drainage. Im sorry skiers, bc legislation says your precious ski terrain is for snowmobiles. I kid you not!

Another interesting thing refered to a a winter recreational company that it said a study was done in 1999 to gage client numbers and will be capped at that number for future years. I know for a fact this company has considerably higner clients numbers then that nowdays.

It also said logging activity can NOT prevent you from useing their roads, unless there is significant safety issues or similar crap.

It basicly says they would prefer it we werent there, but there isnt much real offenses stated. It does have alot to say about summer off road vehicles. And there is specific legislation and total bans in place for many areas with big fines like river flats.

My next mission is how to prove there are no goats in said drainages.

Please read it and inform yourself for areas you ride. And feel free to prove me wrong ...

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Shadam said:

Lst nite we were researching the same issue. Caribou arent the big concern, but I know an area that is closed for mtn goat. Never has anyone seen a goat in the 3 drainages covered under stupid legislaton. Nobody even hunts there except for deer nowdays.
Another area is closed for ungulates and grizzly bears. Its all total bs! Hunters say animals are much futher out.

I read alot last nite. It says all legislation governing summer and winter motorized use in bc is implemented under the wildlife act.

All the wording is soooo ambiguous! Laywers could have a great time argueing back and forth at our expense.

Wot I took out of it is its all bs. If they can heliski it, we can brapp it. Sure there are areas they can only land and other they can only pick up, but if they can build lodges and have their various machines there so can we.
There is a certain area I think it best for me not to name that has 2 heli access ski touring lodges that are considered the only area for snowmobiles in the entire river drainage! In the enitre river drainage. Im sorry skiers, bc legislation says your precious ski terrain is for snowmobiles. I kid you not!

Another interesting thing refered to a a winter recreational company that it said a study was done in 1999 to gage client numbers and will be capped at that number for future years. I know for a fact this company has considerably higner clients numbers then that nowdays.

It also said logging activity can NOT prevent you from useing their roads, unless there is significant safety issues or similar crap.

It basicly says they would prefer it we werent there, but there isnt much real offenses stated. It does have alot to say about summer off road vehicles. And there is specific legislation and total bans in place for many areas with big fines like river flats.

My next mission is how to prove there are no goats in said drainages.

Please read it and inform yourself for areas you ride. And feel free to prove me wrong ...

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pano-dude said:

Doesn't matter if you can prove there are animals or not. Even if you have a masters in biology, the government says there are because there was a study done at some time.
We tried to fight a closure of an area due to a few owls. Even the local biologist said he had no idea if there was any owls in the area but the study that was done in the 90's said there was so no movement on the closure.
We even offered to pay for another study, the gov said no.....

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catinthehat said:

Most of the caribou closures are in fact not to protect the actual animals that may or may not be there but to protect the habitat in case one eventually wanders there. The same is probably true for most other animal related closures.

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d8grandpa said:

If this were the case, explain how sledding damages or diminishes the habitat. Imho it has zero to do with the habitat.

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Lem Lamb said:

Sustainable Recourses folks think other wise. Its not their fault they don't know any better

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