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Virtually all fuel in Northern Alberta comes out of the same storage tanks at the Petro-Canada Refinery in Edmonton - the ones you see to the South of the Yellowhead Highway in the east end. The truck driver has no input other than loading regular unleaded, mid-grade unleaded, premium unleaded or diesel. Computers control everything else, and the posts above are correct in that the differences between one service station's product and another are the relatively minute quantities of additives that are injected at the time of loading. Each "brand" has separate storage tanks and injection lines for their "secret formula" of additives. Mid-grade is simply a blend of regular and premium gas, and some stations have separate tanks for it so that it is blended at the time of loading, but most of the newer stations only have two storage tanks and therefore it is blended at the pump. Costco, FasGas, etc. simply load the basic gas from the storage tanks with no additional additives.

Shell does have it's own facility in Edmonton and therefore has premium without ethanol. Fuel is a commodity like anything else, and if someone like Costco can negotiate a better price from Shell as opposed to Petro-Can, then they too will have an ethanol free product, but Shell will not sell them their additive, and therefore it will not be the same premium you can buy at the Shell next door.

Keep in mind you have to have a refinery to produce gas, and to my knowledge there are three in Edmonton (Petro-Canada, Shell and Esso), one in Saskatchewan (Co-op in Regina) and two in BC (Chevron in Vancouver and Husky in Prince George). There are several upgraders around, but these are the only ones producing gas.
 

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Keep in mind you have to have a refinery to produce gas, and to my knowledge there are three in Edmonton (Petro-Canada, Shell and Esso), one in Saskatchewan (Co-op in Regina) and two in BC (Chevron in Vancouver and Husky in Prince George). There are several upgraders around, but these are the only ones producing gas.

Does the refinery at Bowden still refine gas? I had heard that that was where FasGas got most of it's gas from. Also, I do believe there is a refinery in Kamloops. I may be wrong and can be corrected.
 

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Does the refinery at Bowden still refine gas? I had heard that that was where FasGas got most of it's gas from. Also, I do believe there is a refinery in Kamloops. I may be wrong and can be corrected.
Kamloops refinery shut down in the early 80's. Prince George has a Husky refinery.
 

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AFD in Sicamous was out of premium the other day, so the 13 etec and my halfton both got filled with regular, no issues... not the first time either
 

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Is the lack of additives a bad thing for the performance or longevity of a snowmobile engine Ric. ?

ps, or any other engine ?

I'm not an engineer, but just a lowly automotive technician/business owner. I do believe in the additives, as obviously the big 3 have done extensive testing on all types of vehicles and engines, and feel it is qualified for most vehicles, or they would be warning consumers of certain engines.
I remember quite a few years ago, Shell brought out a new additive that actually gummed up the fuel sending units and fuel gauges quit working or the pumps gummed up badly. Shell did look after most of the complaints, and we probably repaired a dozen or so vehicles that had this happen.
 

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Keep in mind you have to have a refinery to produce gas, and to my knowledge there are three in Edmonton (Petro-Canada, Shell and Esso), one in Saskatchewan (Co-op in Regina) and two in BC (Chevron in Vancouver and Husky in Prince George). There are several upgraders around, but these are the only ones producing gas.

Just a heads up. Shell does NOT have a refinery in Edmonton. They have a bulk terminal where trucks fill and that is all. The refinery is outside of Fort Saskatchewan.

Also.... you say that virtually ALL fuel in Northern Alberta comes from the Petro Canada (it's actually Suncor now for the record), but this makes ZERO sense. I can't see any Esso or Shell stations buying one single drop of Suncor fuel when they have their own brand of fuel within a few blocks.

Perhaps you made a mistake when you typed and need to proof read your statements.

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Keith posted a quote from the PetroCan website above (post 38). Thanks for that. I have no reason to believe that information is incorrect. I accept it. So in that vein here is information from Costco's website. Scroll down to fuel quality:

Gasoline Q and A

And just like PetroCan (Suncor) I'm sure there is a department in Costco's head office that is fully aware of the consequences of misrepresenting their merchandise. Not asking anyone to buy their gas (I don't) but stop with this one button nonsense already.
 

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Just a heads up. Shell does NOT have a refinery in Edmonton. They have a bulk terminal where trucks fill and that is all. The refinery is outside of Fort Saskatchewan.

Also.... you say that virtually ALL fuel in Northern Alberta comes from the Petro Canada (it's actually Suncor now for the record), but this makes ZERO sense. I can't see any Esso or Shell stations buying one single drop of Suncor fuel when they have their own brand of fuel within a few blocks.

Perhaps you made a mistake when you typed and need to proof read your statements.

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Correction, the Suncor Petro-Canada Refinery also contains a single section for Imperial Oil (Esso) within the facility that they produce from. This was a joint working effort by Petro-Canada and Imperial prior to Suncor buying them out.

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Correction, the Suncor Petro-Canada Refinery also contains a single section for Imperial Oil (Esso) within the facility that they produce from. This was a joint working effort by Petro-Canada and Imperial prior to Suncor buying them out.

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Hmmm. Interesting.

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Hmmm. Interesting.

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Been there for years just not advertised. Walk into the refinery and it's clearly identified and branded.

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so y'all know, if one of the refineries are down for scheduled maintenance or sudden repairs, they purchase fuel from one another to keep up with supply and demand, but still are able to each dispense their own "formula"
 

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Yes. Just outside Ft. Sask. But, as I mentioned, they have a bulk truck fill terminal just off 17 st. and Baseline Road.

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Yes they rent tankage and storage from us as do Suncor, Esso, Imperial waiting for market sales or shipping and utilize our loading facilities.

The Suncor Petro-Canada / Esso and Shell are Downstream Upgrader and Refineries.

Tankage is Midstream and Upstream is by the plant facilities that dig it out and upgrade it.

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