T3 174 clutching

Turts · Mar 9, 2017

Folks, my clutches need some attention so I'm thinking maybe change it up a little.
I want a more "connected" feel. You know, touch the flipper and have the sled jump.
Track speed in a climb has been fine, actually I usually don't go straight up, much prefer the zig zag approach!

Spring is coming so some engine braking would be nice.
Any suggestions?
Oh, 200 lb rider, 7000' elevation. Trees please riding style.

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kanedog · Mar 9, 2017

How many miles on the clutches? What work have you done to the sled?

tex78 · Mar 9, 2017

I find some clutch kits are to abrupt and trench too fast for tree riding

Stock clutching to me has a less trenching hit, but still goes

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fredw · Mar 9, 2017

Anyone know what doo has in for pin weight, spring and ramps on there 16-174.. And helix

drove a buddy's last week for a day and that thing was deadly in the deep, there was no g4s following that machine

, always on the nut

Turts · Mar 9, 2017

kanedog said:
How many miles on the clutches? What work have you done to the sled?

Stock with 4500 kms. Clutches inspected a couple thousand ago. Starting to rattle now so a rebuild is in order.

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Turts · Mar 9, 2017

tex78 said:
I find some clutch kits are to abrupt and trench too fast for tree riding

Stock clutching to me has a less trenching hit, but still goes

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Yup stock has worked pretty well. I find if I keep the clickers as low as possible, the sled likes to jump ahead with quick throttle bursts. Just wondering if there is any room for improvement.

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tex78 · Mar 9, 2017

Turts said:
Yup stock has worked pretty well. I find if I keep the clickers as low as possible, the sled likes to jump ahead with quick throttle bursts. Just wondering if there is any room for improvement.

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Have ya ever replaced the stock springs with new ones

They will be sagged out by now, made a big difference in my 14 xmx 163 when I replaced them at 5000 km

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Bnorth · Mar 9, 2017

If it's got 4500km and never been rebuilt it will be toast. The T3 ramps are already pretty good but try DJ ramps for a more connected feel on take off. All in all the T3's are clutched very well stock unless there is something you really desire you won't see a big change. I put a black spring in my secondary and engine braking is noticeably better.

Caper11 · Mar 9, 2017

There is lots left on the table in regards to clutching on a stock sled. Its really up to the owner tho and what the rider expects, and wants out of his sled.

Ive reclutched two T3s other than mine and those owners were very pleased with the results.

I let a 165 3" 850 owner ride my 174 on tues and he said my 174 pulls just as hard up the hill as his sled.

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sc800 · Mar 9, 2017

Caper11 said:
There is lots left on the table in regards to clutching on a stock sled. Its really up to the owner tho and what the rider expects, and wants out of his sled.

Ive reclutched two T3s other than mine and those owners were very pleased with the results.

I let a 165 3" 850 owner ride my 174 on tues and he said my 174 pulls just as hard up the hill as his sled.

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What did you do to your 174 for clutching?

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kanedog · Mar 9, 2017

Rebuild both clutches. On the secondary, replace rollers and moveable sheave bearing (bushing). Replace primary spring. Replace secondary spring with 417127039.
This will get you back to stock. Once back to normal then maybe look at changing things but i dont recommend throwing a bunch of aftermarket clutch parts at it unless you have very solid testimg info or you like to wrench.
IMHO.

Turts · Mar 9, 2017

Caper11 said:
Its really up to the owner tho and what the rider expects, and wants out of his sled.

Just would like to feel more connected, like the later Cats feel.
You know, jab the throttle and the sled jumps.
Maybe I'm not explaining it correctly.
Stock, the clutching is very good.
If it was a truck, lower gears would make it feel better.

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Caper11 · Mar 9, 2017

sc800 said:
What did you do to your 174 for clutching?

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I changed everything even got rid of the funky 438 ramp. Im running the stock gearing as well.

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markoo · Mar 9, 2017

I have a 2015 xm 174. I put a clutch kit in from I-backshift. Better throttle response and awesome back shifting. Holds 8000 all day. Still not happy with track speed on big climbs. Sled came stock with 19-49 gears so I change to 21-49. 5 mph more track speed on a climb and rpm didn't change. Also less rpm while cruising on the trails. My setup seems to load the motor more and use the torque rather than zingy rpm all the time. There might be better setups but for me this is a lot better than stock.

kanedog · Mar 9, 2017

If you want it to jump off the line, find out the starting rate on the primary spring and raise it by 40. Its gonna spin the track more from a standing start and it will be all revy in the parking lot (looks and sounds cool) but if thats what you want it can be done.

Turts · Mar 9, 2017

Nope, I guess I'm not explaining it properly. I don't want higher engagement.
I've already stressed about this enough. Stock rebuild time!
I almost broke my golden rule, "if it ain't broke, don't mess with it"

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Summitizer · Mar 9, 2017

All I do is replace springs and slider pucks every year. I also removed all the pin weight to keep the adjusters on 3 at altitude. I have to watch it at home as it will over rev. High miles will probably need more parts for sure....good luck.

Caper11 · Mar 9, 2017

Turts said:
Just would like to feel more connected, like the later Cats feel.
You know, jab the throttle and the sled jumps.
Maybe I'm not explaining it correctly.
Stock, the clutching is very good.
If it was a truck, lower gears would make it feel better.

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I know what your looking for. Ramps, springs, weight and a helix change is the answer to your question.

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pfi572 · Mar 9, 2017

Turts said:
Nope, I guess I'm not explaining it properly. I don't want higher engagement.
I've already stressed about this enough. Stock rebuild time!
I almost broke my golden rule, "if it ain't broke, don't mess with it"

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Pm Caper and he will fix you up . No sense in discussing clutching on a open forum such as S&M.
Waste of time !!
Cheers

catrutt · Mar 11, 2017

Phone Daryl Baker he did my 2015 t3 174 and it is so much smoother with perfect RPM every time.

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