Making a 174 feel like a much shorter sled.

lilduke said:

I too like the feel of a shorter sled. Best way to do it I found was to get a 154 track sled.
It feels just like a 154, it's uncanny.

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Teth-Air said:

Nope, 154's will not go where we are putting these long sleds. Sure, in the right conditions but not on those stupid days.

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Teth-Air said:

Now that my fuel map and clutching is pretty much dialed in I am working on chassis improvements on my 2019 174 with the 850 Patriot.

The mods I am doing are unconventional but my goal is to make the sled feel like a 155 (or at least a 163) but have the traction of and flotation of the 174.

Things i am working on right now are steering effort, body roll and less track on the ground when in hardpack.

I am not ready to post my photos of the skid and steering modifications yet but I am wondering if there are others that are working on similar goals?

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Bnorth said:

I'm staying tuned. I've tried a few small things on my 174 XM to get it to feel more like a 163 but without much success. It just keeps that front end down and planted when I want to bring it up and swing it around.

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Lund said:

In the past i have put a slight curve (up tip) at the back of my rail, really makes a huge difference. But you can't doit to just any rails and i wouldn't advise it unless you've done it before.
Did it to my 05 RT back in the day, it was a 162 and made it feel more like a 151 of the time.
I also did it to my 2010 Nytro using Iceage rails when i converted to a 174.
But i can't doit to my Winders cause the rails i bought have too many cut outs but Bomber rails i could had done...too late now.

BTW, in reverse in the deep works way better too.
As for wheelies, it will wheelie a little more but nothing that a lock out would not take care of.

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Lund said:

Nothing that more power won't fix. Its easy to get a 174 on its tail if you have the muscle (hp)

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Teth-Air said:

Okay, a little teaser, but this is just one of the mods. Will know the direction to take from here after this weekend. Facts about this set up:

2 extra wheels are running on either side of the center window, they lift the track about 3/4" off the rails. Think about this and how it will affect handling, pivot point when turning on hard pack and backing up. Yes I know what can go wrong but I also know what can go right about this setup.

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niner said:

You could just go with a 9” rear wheel and achieve the same thing?

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niner said:

You could just go with a 9� rear wheel and achieve the same thing?

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phatboy07 said:

what brand of adjustable limiter strap are you using?

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JungleJim said:

Its the Doo remote handle bar mounted one. Works good as long as I park on a mogul to compress the front of the skid when tightening it up. Can make it go long anytime.

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Teth-Air said:

Those are 9" wheels in the back with the offset shaft but that is not achieving the same thing. This setup takes the last 9" of the track off the ground in hardpack and also makes the sled roll side to side like a t-motion or Alpha single rail. When the rails touch down it gets stable. A 174 has 9.5" more track on the ground over a 155. This set up will have similar on the ground as a 155 when on hardpack. Also those 2 front wheels run just on either side of the center of the track.



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niner said:

I like what you did. I think you will like it in marginal snow. But when we get a big dump of snow I would take them out. Cool idea.

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JungleJim said:

I'm REALLY liking the adjustable limiter strap on my 175 as its noticeable difference - long for creeks, short for hills

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