Are you concerned about what the NDP is cooking up for the Bighorn backcountry?

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Start a "Go Fund Me" page, sadly it takes $$$ to fight. It also takes money to investigate. The NDP part of the equation will be dealt with in less than 200 days, if/likely the UCP get in there will be an Ally.
BUT given y2y and similar are a politically touchy subject this likely would be better served dealing with on a private level...
If corruption is found out chances are much if not all of their devastation would be addressed and possibly reversed at a govt level. Also at a provincial govt level there is the possibility that legislation can be brought forth curtailing "outside financial assistance" when it comes to public lands.
It'd be nice to see public lands restrictions descisions go to a province wide PLEBICITE...
Why should one or two individuals have that much power over public recreational land usage....

**Make it a priority to vote MAY 2019**
Every vote counts and it'd be additionally sweet if the NDP were voted into non-party-status....

Legislate that All recreational public land use issues should be sent to a province wide PLEBICITE
 
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Action must be taken now, because even jason nixon can't guarantee they can overturn "park" status once its instigated and finalized... This is shannon phillips(and y2y) main goal, to shut down all motorized vehicles in the alberta foothills and mountains!!!
 
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We have someone that is working hard on many aspects of this in Alberta and has brodened his horizons and is even reaching out to the peace country today, in northern BC. His name is Garrett, Cklink69, on this site. https://www.snowandmud.com/members/28499.html Glad to have him on board and to have met and working with him.
 

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We have someone that is working hard on many aspects of this in Alberta and has brodened his horizons and is even reaching out to the peace country today, in northern BC. His name is Garrett, Cklink69, on this site. https://www.snowandmud.com/members/28499.html Glad to have him on board and to have met and working with him.
How do we get him some funding?
 

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CPAWS (Canadian Parks and Wilderness Society) and Y2Y (Yellowstone to Yukon Conservation Initiative, US based) seem to be collaborating and their campaign to save the caribou is having impact all over. I believe they are heavily involved in the Bighorn, Joss and Northeast BC closures.

Here is a link to their Bighorn article https://cpawsnab.org/more-than-21000-albertans/ where they are claiming 21,000 Albertans expressed support to Shannon Phillips about shutting it down.

Frankly its depressing to read this stuff and realize how functional their well funded propaganda machine must be. Here's the bold type initial paragraph from their caribou page:

"By protecting caribou, you are protecting your future. Caribou need the intact ecosystems that provide the fresh air and clean water we need to survive. By saving caribou's remaining habitat in Canada’s Boreal forests and Northern tundra, we are protecting our health and a way of life for Indigenous peoples, and slowing the effects of climate change"

I'm no caribou expert but really?? Protecting the caribou will slow the effect of climage change? Of course the city dwelling do-gooders are going to be in full support.

Regarding timelines it seems they had action plans in place and 2017 was the go date to get **** shut down. They recently sued the Canadian federal government due to lack of adherance and this may be why we're seeing the sudden actions in Joss and NE BC.

Like I said pretty depressing stuff. Well funded interest groups out of the US are having a field day shutting down Canadian interests while our weak provincial and federal goverments are caving in.

That's my take on it anyways.
 

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"and way of life for indigenous peoples" ..... WTF? are they hunting the Caribou? maybe they're the reason the Caribou population is declining? LOL

Haha yeah I was poking around last night to see if the federal liberals had any info on their website. All I found was a summary of JT's recent visit to some native band in the north where he enjoyed a caribou meal. Does seem contradictory.
 

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"By protecting caribou, you are protecting your future. Caribou need the intact ecosystems that provide the fresh air and clean water we need to survive. By saving caribou's remaining habitat in Canada’s Boreal forests and Northern tundra, we are protecting our health and a way of life for Indigenous peoples, and slowing the effects of climate


Only the environentalist can make a claim with zero scientific proof... it is and always will be that way and it’s all about the money. These groups could give a rats ass about Caribou. They would be luck to pick a bou out of a line up of moose, deer, elk , bear and da bou!!
 

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"The proposal includes designated areas for all-terrain vehicles and snowmobiles"

Sounds great but here's the rub: the "designated areas" will probably limit OHV trails to 0.7 linear km per square kilometer of land, same as they've done down south.

Do the math and realize they've just reduced your legal riding area to less than 1% of what it used to be.
 

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Here is an email I got from Jason Nixon tonight,

Yep we are digging into this

This is my statement today:

United Conservatives respond to NDP plans for Bighornregion

EDMONTON, AB (November 23, 2018): United ConservativeHouse Leader and MLA for Rimbey-Rocky Mountain House-Sundre has issued thefollowing statement in response to today’s NDP announcement on the future ofthe Bighorn region:

“Today’s announcement from the Premier is completely outof touch with the current crisis our province is facing.

“Our chief focus is on jobs and reigniting Alberta’seconomy. We all agree with protecting the environment, but this NDP Governmenthas been all too willing to sacrifice jobs for their own ideological goals.

“We’ll of course review the proposal announced today, butI am deeply concerned with what appears to be a complete dismissal of theRegional Advisory Council’s recommendations with respect to the future of theBig Horn. I am also skeptical of any ‘consultation’ done by this government.After all, this was the government that held fake consultations after the factto justify its carbon tax - a tax thattwo-thirds of Albertans have constantly opposed.

“Given the Minister of Environment’s actions working againstAlberta jobs - including actively protesting Northern Gateway - we are alsoskeptical of much of what the Minister does.

“I encourage everyone to participate in the consultationprocess. It’s critical that this government hears your voices on such acritically important issue for our region. Click here to let the NDP know howyou feel about their plan for the Bighorn.”
 

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"The proposal includes designated areas for all-terrain vehicles and snowmobiles"

Sounds great but here's the rub: the "designated areas" will probably limit OHV trails to 0.7 linear km per square kilometer of land, same as they've done down south.

Do the math and realize they've just reduced your legal riding area to less than 1% of what it used to be.


I spent last night reading the plan and all the materials. There's a lot there.

I don't know, guys. I think our advocacy might have worked. As far as I could tell, they say that the current motorized trail plan for the Bighorn Backcountry is going to be honoured, and its staying as PLUZ all along Abraham to Cline River.

Not much information about the new PLUZ east of the proposed park.
 

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I don't know, guys. I think our advocacy might have worked. As far as I could tell, they say that the current motorized trail plan for the Bighorn Backcountry is going to be honoured, and its staying as PLUZ all along Abraham to Cline River

Valid point, they do indeed mention maintaining OHV access a fair amount.

My concern is their track record down south with Castle/Oldman/Porcupine has been underhanded and sneaky. Case in point - placing the staging areas away from the designated camping spots, providing no parking at the staging area, then ticketing people for riding ATV's the couple hundred yards from their campsite to the trailhead.

Typical sneaky NDP approach allowing them to claim they are "supporting OHV use" while effectively killing it from a practical perspective.

I hope I'm wrong and they do leave reasonable OHV access in Bighorn, but at this point I'm assuming the worst.
 

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Valid point, they do indeed mention maintaining OHV access a fair amount.

My concern is their track record down south with Castle/Oldman/Porcupine has been underhanded and sneaky. Case in point - placing the staging areas away from the designated camping spots, providing no parking at the staging area, then ticketing people for riding ATV's the couple hundred yards from their campsite to the trailhead.

Typical sneaky NDP approach allowing them to claim they are "supporting OHV use" while effectively killing it from a practical perspective.

I hope I'm wrong and they do leave reasonable OHV access in Bighorn, but at this point I'm assuming the worst.

I think your concerns are perfectly warranted. CClink posted this on Facebook which got right from the park proposal. I have no doubt that if NDP got in another term, there will be no hunting, ATV access, and they will spend 10's of billions to buy out the oil leases and cap the wells.
 

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