Info on closures...where is it coming from...Whos behind it....Links and info....Page

Ron H · Feb 21, 2017

There is a wealth of information through this site and its many links...
https://y2y.net/

CPAWS Northern Alberta | Canadian Parks and Wilderness Society

https://y2y.net/work/what-hot-projects/alberta-headwaters

There will be a great deal of research here to find out who and how to deal with closures.. We need to band together...

This is a link to what appears to be their funding...

https://y2y.net/you-can-help/transparency-and-accountability

ONLY PRODUCTIVE POSTS AND LINKS AS I'M SURE THERE WILL BE "PRYING EYES"

lilduke · Feb 22, 2017

Its coming from the top of the pyramid. The Illuminati or whatever you want to call them. Not joking either.

UN Agenda 21, UN Agenda 2030. Sustainable development and all that jazz.

The goal is YOU off the land. Rural private property is on the chopping block too.... just an FYI.

fredw · Feb 22, 2017

I hope to have twenty years in this sport before I'm gone, but they could have it all shut down prior.. Some what sad thou, sport looks pretty sad for my kids to enjoy

imdoo'n · Feb 22, 2017

i'm thinking it won't be very long before us and our children will not be allowed into the west country at all.

Ronaha · Feb 22, 2017

Good luck finding me cityiots.....your better off not finding me.

Ron H · Feb 22, 2017

Well.... I was thinking as there was talk of a "user fee"..... Maybe thinking alternately form a provincial wide club dedicated to keeping areas open. This of course requires funding,... As well as the support of smaller local clubs, a unification of sorts...
In a brief summary of their financials it Seems they have govt funding as well...
Part of the original post were a link to their financials,.... long and short we're underfunded as a demographic...
Also it seems they've quite a template in terms of organization, web design etc..
I too would think in the beginning organizational phases all affected businesses (power sports, trailer mfgrs perhaps even automotive dealers, heavy truck sales too would be affected) could be approached for support...

Just throwing ideas out there at this point, don't get me wrong but there was a reason for suggesting "constructive posts and links"
We do however need to be united and proactive....soon...

Cdnfireman · Feb 22, 2017

imdoo'n said:
i'm thinking it won't be very long before us and our children will not be allowed into the west country at all.

Think back to when the residents of Banff and Canmore were on the news complaining about too many free park passes being given out and how it was going to "overwhelm" the park and "ruin" the natural experience.
Translation: restrict the numbers of passes to a level acceptable to those residents.
If you listen to the people who are trying to restrict motorized access, take notice how they don't tolerate any use of the backcountry other than their own. The hikers and backcountry skiers are rabidly against everyone else. Talk about narrow minded and elitist. You'll never hear an ATV group calling for restricted access to other users.
Theyre all against random camping, ATV use etc, because it threatens the watershed and makes all the wildlife extinct. But the huge ski hills, golf courses, mountain resorts, luxury hotels, paved hiking trails, gondolas etc that litter the mountains from Waterton to jasper somehow don't carry the same threat. Somehow the power lines, roads etc that service them aren't a bad thing. All the septic systems for these developments dump their treated effluent directly into the watershed, but apparently because it's from carrot juice and organic veggie sandwiches, it's benign to the environment.
Theres a limousine liberal, elitist, bigoted agenda at work here. The wilderness exists only for them, not for us and they are intent on restricting access.

honda75 · Feb 23, 2017

"The hikers and backcountry skiers are rabidly against everyone else. Talk about narrow minded and elitist. You'll never hear an ATV group calling for restricted access to other users."

Actually, you here it all the time. Dirt bikers upset their single track is getting trashed by quads, quadders upset that jeeps are wrecking their trails, snowmobilers angry when quads damage their trails. Points to a very busy landscape, that needs more management and clear designated trails for all users.

Also to be fair, Alberta doesn't actually have many trails. I've travelled in jurisdictions that actually have well designed trail systems. Alberta mostly has a bunch of industry cutlines that were never designed for recreational use.

I'd certainly support a push for some world class motorized trails funded by licensing dollars and even an Eastern Slopes Pass, plus 10 times more enforcement with all enforcement dollars rolled back into trail maintenance.

Ramjet15x · Feb 23, 2017

Agree with above on enforcement dollars being put back, but that money now goes only to general funds, which in essence funds the exclusionist users again

TylerG · Feb 23, 2017

Ramjet15x said:
Agree with above on enforcement dollars being put back, but that money now goes only to general funds, which in essence funds the exclusionist users again

Same as our OHV registration dollars. Goes to the general revenue. Nothing specific to OHV

Ron H · Feb 23, 2017

The Y2Y group seems to get "Govt Grants' in addition to Private, Corporate, And Foundations..

whoDEANie · Feb 23, 2017

...soon is an understatement. At this point, being "proactive" seems impossible since we are already behind the eight ball by leaps and bounds.

Many of us have ideas and are comfortable expressing them from the comfort of our keyboards, but seriously, what are we going to do?

Does anyone know of any efforts underway to:
- unite the various back country user groups?
- lobby on our behalf?
- initiate unbiased scientific studies as to the current state of the headwaters, trout habitat, endangered species, etc. and the impact of the various user groups and industries on them?
- publicly broadcast (newspapers, radio, television) our message to properly inform the general public and possibly sway those who have been blindly trusting the environmental groups?
- initiate negotiations with the NDP?
- secure funding to pay for all these efforts?

Has a person or organization already stepped up that can approach the government at eye level? If not, how do we get this ball rolling and rolling fast?

Ron H · Feb 23, 2017

Here is a well organized group, The General template with a few modifications I'm sure could work well here...
One of us will be in contact "Hat in Hand" as it were asking for guidance / Input / assistance.

OFATV | Ontario Federation of All Terrain Vehicle Clubs

Also if any on this board could offer assistance , ideas , constructive criticism ...by all means chime in...

Cal Rakach · Feb 23, 2017

Try Googling 'Alberta atv clubs' and see what you get.
Cal

Ron H · Feb 23, 2017

Cal as the closures affect more than one demographic, why not get all the sledders, ATV/UTV/Dirtbike, Hunters, Fishermen, Equestrine on the same page.. It's all about closures...so as an all encompassing group we could sort out mutual respect internally...while addressing the closures in a united fashion...
Not to mention strength in numbers...

Cal Rakach · Feb 23, 2017

Great idea!

Cal

Lem Lamb · Feb 23, 2017

Lobby group idea born here in our own Province.

It needs too incorporate all out door user groups or it won't fly.

Very steep hill to climb, but if one user groups wants more for them selves it will become a floop.

From the get go were a very long ways behind the 8 ball, and Albertans should of jumped at this in 2001 ish when the Big Horn Recreation area came into play.

PC party wasn't game too listen back then either.
They mistakely closed trails by mistake, and have slowly year by year restricted many more of them over time.
Chungo had 2 very small FLUZ zones years ago, now it's 10 ish miles wide East too West and 35 miles long North too South.

Very crafty on the government's part too do this with no consultation. Who knew anything about this but those of us that used these areas.

The North Ram trail closed indefinitely too OHV units after the 2012 floods and it has never been fixed up since for our use.

Peace by peace it will slowly disappear.

I'm game for a all user group, but it takes more than a hand full too get it going.
USA national Off road group stands at 65.000 members.

That's a large Lobby group too fight for their rights for crown land and National Forest areas.

Don

WhiteDragon · Feb 28, 2017

Ron H said:
Here is a well organized group, The General template with a few modifications I'm sure could work well here...
One of us will be in contact "Hat in Hand" as it were asking for guidance / Input / assistance.

OFATV | Ontario Federation of All Terrain Vehicle Clubs

Also if any on this board could offer assistance , ideas , constructive criticism ...by all means chime in...

Also take a look at the Ontario Federation of Snowmobile Clubs. The idea of a general, province wide trail permit works well, and with the strength of that organization, they have the ear of the provincial government.
AND look at the Quebec Federations. Look at the Federation de Motoneige de Quebec (Quebec Snowmobile Federation) and the Federation de Quad de Quebec (Quebec ATV organization). They have a strong voice, and provide a province wide snowmobile (and to a lesser extent) ATV trail system. Quebec is the only place that I know of where there are specific WINTER ATV trails-separate from the snowmobile trails.
Even Saskatchewan has a strong snowmobile organization.

TylerG · Feb 28, 2017

WhiteDragon said:
Also take a look at the Ontario Federation of Snowmobile Clubs. The idea of a general, province wide trail permit works well, and with the strength of that organization, they have the ear of the provincial government.
AND look at the Quebec Federations. Look at the Federation de Motoneige de Quebec (Quebec Snowmobile Federation) and the Federation de Quad de Quebec (Quebec ATV organization). They have a strong voice, and provide a province wide snowmobile (and to a lesser extent) ATV trail system. Quebec is the only place that I know of where there are specific WINTER ATV trails-separate from the snowmobile trails.
Even Saskatchewan has a strong snowmobile organization.

Alberta has a fantastically strong Snowmobile Organization (Alberta Snowmobile Association), we just are horribly represented at wheeled users. We need to find a way to increase that representation.

arff · Feb 28, 2017

TylerG said:
Alberta has a fantastically strong Snowmobile Organization (Alberta Snowmobile Association), we just are horribly represented at wheeled users. We need to find a way to increase that representation.

Join as one ohv group?

Val Senio
Royal LePage
780-405-9359

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