Notley in Pincher Creek tomorrow

Turts · Jan 19, 2017

Any responsible, back country user who does not want to lose access to an area 3x the size of Waterton National Park needs to get informed. Make yourself present at the Kootenay Brown Museum, at 11am tomorrow, to send a message to Notley that we do not agree with her terms for the Provincial Park. Quadders, Snowmobilers, ranchers with cattle grazing rights, campers, hikers, hunters, fishers are all affected by this proposal that is now (secretly) one step closer to becoming law.
https://www.albertaparks.ca/media/6372906/castle-proposed.pdf

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imdoo'n · Jan 20, 2017

i wonder if one of our very own outspoken members will be down there to protest, sure has a lot to say about politics and anything else posted on here? i would say nut likely!!!

takethebounce · Jan 20, 2017

As an avid back country user how am I losing access?

Now if you would have said lose "unrestricted" access I would maybe agree but an area becoming a PP and Wildland park doesn't prohibit all access. Motorized users that use the area would have obvious concern.

I am not for or against the proposal as all I have seen is this map. I have used Beaver Mines and frequent the Castle a handful of times a year. I do not sled Castle any longer but I know many who do. I hope it doesn't go through as there are a lot of yahoo's that frequent the area in summer who would be pushed into other areas putting additional pressure on those spots. Its unfortunate that the actions of a few could affect many.

So through some quick searching I found some FAQ's

https://www.albertaparks.ca/media/6373227/faqs.pdf

The area currently determined to be the Castle PLUZ area would become a mix of WildLand and Provincial park. Both will fall under the PP guidelines and the province will have greater control. Through some reading a lot of focus was put on protecting the river and headwaters. I cannot agree more with that concern. Just looking at how the Livingston and Old Man have been affected in recent years with increased OHV traffic I am surprised they haven't started a process to protect more of that area.

Turts · Jan 20, 2017

imdoo'n said:
i wonder if one of our very own outspoken members will be down there to protest, sure has a lot to say about politics and anything else posted on here? i would say nut likely!!!

The time for protests was long gone.
Where were all the protesters the last 16 months.
It's a done deal. One new Provincial Park and a huge new "Wildlands" area.
Details to follow but be prepared to lose access......

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chatter · Jan 20, 2017

Turts said:
Any responsible, back country user who does not want to lose access to an area 3x the size of Waterton National Park needs to get informed. Make yourself present at the Kootenay Brown Museum, at 11am tomorrow, to send a message to Notley that we do not agree with her terms for the Provincial Park. Quadders, Snowmobilers, ranchers with cattle grazing rights, campers, hikers, hunters, fishers are all affected by this proposal that is now (secretly) one step closer to becoming law.
https://www.albertaparks.ca/media/6372906/castle-proposed.pdf

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not enough of us there we did our best was no mention of any motorized allowed only hiking ad mountain bikes

chatter · Jan 20, 2017

no mention of any motorized vehicles only hiking and mountain bikes ,

takethebounce · Jan 20, 2017

chatter said:
no mention of any motorized vehicles only hiking and mountain bikes ,

Where was there no mention of OHV?

Its true though, its too late to protest.

takethebounce · Jan 20, 2017

Turts said:
The time for protests was long gone.
Where were all the protesters the last 16 months.
It's a done deal. One new Provincial Park and a huge new "Wildlands" area.
Details to follow but be prepared to lose access......

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I understand the mentality of give them an inch they take a mile but is the " huge new wildlands area" boundary vastly any different than the PLUZ that was already in place? The Provincial park within the area is obviously larger, but with that comes the potential of better managed camping grounds for what is already a very widely used area. Provincial campgrounds are not enjoyed by every person but there is definitely a lack of facilities like that in Alberta.

Everything that is available to me, on the internet, still mentions the allowed use of OHV's within the wildland areas. There are several wildland areas in the province which some allow OHV's. Is there additional information that contradicts that?

I am just trying to view and understand your input.

honda75 · Jan 20, 2017

takethebounce said:
I understand the mentality of give them an inch they take a mile but is the " huge new wildlands area" boundary vastly any different than the PLUZ that was already in place? The Provincial park within the area is obviously larger, but with that comes the potential of better managed camping grounds for what is already a very widely used area. Provincial campgrounds are not enjoyed by every person but there is definitely a lack of facilities like that in Alberta.

Everything that is available to me, on the internet, still mentions the allowed use of OHV's within the wildland areas. There are several wildland areas in the province which some allow OHV's. Is there additional information that contradicts that?

I am just trying to view and understand your input.

Immediate closure of ATV trails in South Castle, all other ATV trails to be phased out and permanently closed in next 2-5 years. Pretty big change.

https://talkaep.alberta.ca/CastleManagementPlan/faqs

takethebounce · Jan 20, 2017

honda75 said:
Immediate closure of ATV trails in South Castle, all other ATV trails to be phased out and permanently closed in next 2-5 years. Pretty big change.

https://talkaep.alberta.ca/CastleManagementPlan/faqs

Perfect thanks.

I didn't stumble on that one in my searching. It certainly contradicts the original intent of the proposed change.

I was basing my thoughts on what was previously shared as the proposed changes.

Turts · Jan 20, 2017

I'm al for protecting such a beautiful and ecologically Important area but we all know what happens when big government gets involved.
We pay more for less....
BC folks, an interprovincial park is not that big of a stretch.
There is one on the East side of the province.
Be careful, things can change rather quickly.

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sirkdev · Jan 20, 2017

Hopefully a wind mill breaks loose and takes nutley and her crew out.....

Rbrduk · Jan 20, 2017

Can someone from the local sled club offer to take her for a ride (wink,wink) to show her the pristine areas only accessible by OHVs. Then by chance, luck,God's hand, she doesn't make it out?

Bnorth · Jan 20, 2017

Prime Y2Y area. Big win for the greens.

Sledderglen · Jan 20, 2017

I just filled out the survey. Not looking good fellow motorized recreation people. To change these green gals will be a effort from ALL of us here and some. They will listen to all the old ladies in downtown cities writing letters

takethebounce · Jan 21, 2017

The survey is too late for the Castle PLUZ. They have already posted on the website the proposal for changing the PLUZ to a Prov Park and WildLand park is official.

Now it's just an opinion period to say if you agree with it or not. Just like sharing your thoughts on the proposed budget. As if the Not heads really care. The issues needed to be dealt with a year ago but when they say their is going to be continued OHV use allowed then turn around and blindside everyone with their changes based on their study. Why wasn't the results of that study shared prior? It's all smoke and mirrors.

This can easily happen to other PLUZ areas now. Spring will be here and the irresponsible few will make the news on May long and get a few more places shut down.

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rzrgade · Jan 21, 2017

The study's the NDP put forth are only for propaganda purposes, obviously.
If it were otherwise we would have , no bill6, no carbon tax , and we would not be closing down coal plants , with out a clue as to where the needed electricity will come from & at what cost ....
You can not trust this goverment, it's time to start asking if your next MLA would reverse this decision if elected .
In terms of a few spoiling it for the others , I tend to agree.. But the fact is if we were 100% compliant ( perfect stewards of the land) they ( NDP) would still shut it down...that is a fact .
They are totally apposed to any Motorsports off road whatsoever in principle .
Wether they admit that or not ....
Everyone should read a few pages on Club Tread..
A popular hiking forum .
These are where NDP brain trust ideas evolve ...
I knew once elected , we were in trouble .....
It is the NDP way .

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Sledderglen · Jan 21, 2017

Cant let them away with this at all. We can not just lay back and take it. Please don't give up. They deserve to hear our thoughts against this draft plan.
Or just role over and die like what they want us to do.
Whos up for the fight??
Its coming to the North as well.. Anyone know of Bighorn area??? that and livingstone range is next. North Saskatchewan regional plan also. Get active or roll over and die. Sell off your stuff before it worthless.

rzrgade · Jan 21, 2017

I totally agree Glen . My point is that no matter what we say or do they have an agenda . While of course we are better to fight this , I think a concerted effort on the the apposing side may be our only chance ...
Pin down an opposition member & and ask for a reverse of policy specifically.
I have it on reasonable good authority that they are far from done , and will do as much as possible before their mandate is up ...
I have yet to see one example of where they actually listen to the consultations that they so encourage.
When they announce things like this and bar the public to speak, it pretty well speaks towards their intent of public input .

But they should have s bloody earful , for sure !

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Turts · Jan 21, 2017

Imagine how easy it would be to create an interprovincial park with neighbouring BC?
Alberta likes that kind of partnership.
There is an interprovincial park between Sk and Ab already.
Hmm, why not just include ALL of the Flathead Valley?
It could be just that easy.
JOIN A CLUB!
Let your membership be counted! It's but about the $$. It's more to do with strength in numbers......

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