Is Cyle legal or illegal?

S.W.A.T. · May 18, 2020

Since this debate is derailed a good thread I will move it over here.

Cyle the reference you post about brake requirements has to do with RVs not commercial vehicles.
https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/409...ownload/recreational-vehicle-towing-guide.pdf

As Stomping Tom says your putting a lot at risk over a couple wires

thump · May 18, 2020

Anyone read the DISCLAIMER on page#2?

S.W.A.T. · May 18, 2020

thump said:
Anyone read the DISCLAIMER on page#2?

DISCLAIMER
This guide applies to Alberta only; other province’s regulations may differ.
This guide applies solely to the non-commercial operation of trailers. Trailer
combinations operated for commercial purposes are governed by different regulations
and standards.

pipes · May 18, 2020

thump said:
Anyone read the DISCLAIMER on page#2?

yes I did.

doorfx · May 18, 2020

So Cyle is illegal AND dangerous lol

Caper11 · May 18, 2020

What thread did I miss?

When I was trucking, the rule of thumb was go down the hill in the same gear used to climb it and never rely on your jakes. Your relying on a little wire if you do.
Solid advice considering I lost my jakes one time decending a hill.

To many people rely on technology, and not common sence.

rebel · May 18, 2020

Cyle said:
Trailer brakes are overrated.......

I've ran my dump truck with my light trailer for years without putting a brake controller in, i'm lazy. It's not legal but i'm not concerned about pulling my skidsteer or mini hoe behind a tandem without brakes unless it's icy. It could haul it in the box, the truck stops it fine.

This is the post that started the debate in the humorous pic thread.

Caper11 · May 18, 2020

rebel said:
This is the post that started the debate in the humorous pic thread.

Ahh, I see where common sence is lacking than. Definitely illegal. Trailers over a certain GVWR have to have brakes on every axle.

Just read the posts, get cyle to post a picture of his GVWR of the trailer. Its either less than 2000 with could be fine for towing it empty, than the trailer is seriously over loaded. Definitely tell he doesn’t understand the laws, wonder is both truck and trailer have a CVSE inspection.

Legend14 · May 18, 2020

Being lazy is a killer and he admitted being lazy, hopefully nobody gets killed.

Mike270412 · May 18, 2020

Sure he understands the law. Right in his post he says it's illegal. His comment was whether or not it was "safe".I'm with Cyle on this one.Pulling a skid steer around behind a tandem dump truck with no brakes on the trailer is way safer than a lot of the huge trailers you see being pulled behind pickup trucks.(which may be "legal") A competent experienced driver is also a huge factor .

Disclaimer;this is just my personal opinion,which everyone is entitled to,influenced by a couple million miles of driving more than most average Joes will ever drive.

Caper11 said:
Ahh, I see where common sence is lacking than. Definitely illegal. Trailers over a certain GVWR have to have brakes on every axle.

Just read the posts, get cyle to post a picture of his GVWR of the trailer. Its either less than 2000 with could be fine for towing it empty, than the trailer is seriously over loaded. Definitely tell he doesn’t understand the laws, wonder is both truck and trailer have a CVSE inspection.

Caper11 · May 18, 2020

Mike270412 said:
Sure he understands the law. Right in his post he says it's illegal. His comment was whether or not it was "safe".I'm with Cyle on this one.Pulling a skid steer around behind a tandem dump truck with no brakes on the trailer is way safer than a lot of the huge trailers you see being pulled behind pickup trucks.(which may be "legal") A competent experienced driver is also a huge factor .

Disclaimer;this is just my personal opinion,which everyone is entitled to,influenced by a couple million miles of driving more than most average Joes will ever drive.

Im not disputing wether the tow unit is capable of stopping or not, thats besides the point. A person knowing he’s running illegal and being ok with it, is the topic of discussion.

IMO A competent driver would not be that lazy to not put a controller in it.
Couple hundred bucks and the time to wire it is cheaper than loosing points off your carrier profile and your licence.

If he feels he does not need trailer brakes than I highly question the maintenance done on the brakes of that trailer for breakaway purposes.

The Humbolt drive was safe, right up to the point of his lapse in judgment.
I know this example will be picked apart.
That Humbolt accident could of happened to anyone, regardless of experience.

Mike270412 · May 18, 2020

No that is not besides the point. The "point" was whether or not it was safe. I'm not disagreeing with most of your post,but this whole thing started with Cyle saying it was safe and everyone is bringing the law into it. Laws and safety aren't always parallel. The Humbolt incident isn't even anywhere near what we are talking about here.

Caper11 said:
Im not disputing wether the tow unit is capable of stopping or not, thats besides the point. A person knowing he’s running illegal and being ok with it, is the topic of discussion.

IMO A competent driver would not be that lazy to not put a controller in it.
Couple hundred bucks and the time to wire it is cheaper than loosing points off your carrier profile and your licence.

If he feels he does not need trailer brakes than I highly question the maintenance done on the brakes of that trailer for breakaway purposes.

The Humbolt drive was safe, right up to the point of his lapse in judgment.
I know this example will be picked apart.
That Humbolt accident could of happened to anyone, regardless of experience.

S.W.A.T. · May 18, 2020

So is it safer not to have the breaks working? I'm having difficulty with that one

Stompin Tom · May 18, 2020

Mike270412 said:
No that is not besides the point. The "point" was whether or not it was safe. I'm not disagreeing with most of your post,but this whole thing started with Cyle saying it was safe and everyone is bringing the law into it. Laws and safety aren't always parallel. The Humbolt incident isn't even anywhere near what we are talking about here.

No. The point is he is a commercial driver and makes the choice to ignore the laws and regulations because of laziness. I find that unacceptable as a professional driver.

Stuff like this hits a cord with me. There are far to many fly by night and backwoods operations in the transportation industry which makes it bad for every one of use who chose it as a profession. If you have a class 1 license and a NSC number you are obligated to follow the rules as written, not to disregard what you choose to disregard.

Plain and simple there is no excuse for not following the rules. They are put in place for a reason and there is zero tolerance for blatant disregard for the rules. This one might only be a small thing, but what else is being ignored? To lazy to hook up electric brakes? Does he adjust his brakes on his truck? Does he do other maintenance? It all comes into question. Maybe only this one situation, but as an industry we all have to try harder to make things better. When somebody screws up there is a good chance someone dies.

kanedog · May 18, 2020

Legend14 said:
Being lazy is a killer and he admitted being lazy, hopefully nobody gets killed.

I’m not following the thread but this is funny!

Cyle · May 18, 2020

Stompin Tom said:
No. The point is he is a commercial driver and makes the choice to ignore the laws and regulations because of laziness. I find that unacceptable as a professional driver.

Stuff like this hits a cord with me. There are far to many fly by night and backwoods operations in the transportation industry which makes it bad for every one of use who chose it as a profession. If you have a class 1 license and a NSC number you are obligated to follow the rules as written, not to disregard what you choose to disregard.

Plain and simple there is no excuse for not following the rules. They are put in place for a reason and there is zero tolerance for blatant disregard for the rules. This one might only be a small thing, but what else is being ignored? To lazy to hook up electric brakes? Does he adjust his brakes on his truck? Does he do other maintenance? It all comes into question. Maybe only this one situation, but as an industry we all have to try harder to make things better. When somebody screws up there is a good chance someone dies.

The air must be thin up there on your throne, I was simply being honest. Tell me this after a 12 hour day if on your way home empty you realized you had 1 tire really low on air or flat on a dual, would you sit there and wait for a tire guy to fix it or would you drive it? If you're going to say 100% sure you would sit and wait your lying. Now that's illegal, but it is safe. So don't tell me you've never drove a rig at some point that wasn't 100% legal, EVERYBODY has. But one that's still safe is a lot different.

Maintaince is a lot different then not installing a brake controller. I can assure you my equipment is in better shape then the vast majority on the road.

Cyle · May 18, 2020

Mike270412 said:
Sure he understands the law. Right in his post he says it's illegal. His comment was whether or not it was "safe".I'm with Cyle on this one.Pulling a skid steer around behind a tandem dump truck with no brakes on the trailer is way safer than a lot of the huge trailers you see being pulled behind pickup trucks.(which may be "legal") A competent experienced driver is also a huge factor .

Disclaimer;this is just my personal opinion,which everyone is entitled to,influenced by a couple million miles of driving more than most average Joes will ever drive.

Exactly. The most unsafe thing about it is forgetting the trailer is there. Crazy windy? The trailer isn't capable of blowing the truck around, not capable of skidding it in a panic stop. I don't know how other people drive, but I rarely use the brakes, being an automatic with the engine brake it stops itself.

The other huge thing is the dump truck is subject to a yearly inspection. How many pickups pulling skidsteers would ever pass a CVIP? I bet less then 50%.

Maybe from now on i'll just lift the skidsteer and trailer into the box and haul them, and no one would care about not having trailer brakes then

Cyle · May 18, 2020

Caper11 said:
Im not disputing wether the tow unit is capable of stopping or not, thats besides the point. A person knowing he’s running illegal and being ok with it, is the topic of discussion.

IMO A competent driver would not be that lazy to not put a controller in it.
Couple hundred bucks and the time to wire it is cheaper than loosing points off your carrier profile and your licence.

If he feels he does not need trailer brakes than I highly question the maintenance done on the brakes of that trailer for breakaway purposes.

The Humbolt drive was safe, right up to the point of his lapse in judgment.
I know this example will be picked apart.
That Humbolt accident could of happened to anyone, regardless of experience.

Do I feel I need the brakes? Absolutely not, unless the roads are icy. That is not an opinion, it is fact. The only reason I will eventually get it is to please any DOT that pulls me over.

For the record, $1500 quote to put one in. It would already be in if it was a few hundred but I wasn't going to pay a shop that kind of money when it was in last for something that small.

The Humboldt could have happened to anyone? Are you kidding me? Yea anyone who would run a stop sign at a stupid speed. It happened because of a idiot driver who had no idea what they were doing. There was a million violations they found, that's why the carrier lost their safety fitness. That's why all the changes happened. Have you been living under a rock?

snopro · May 18, 2020

kanedog · May 18, 2020

Cyle is a civic hazard on the road. He only puts brakes on the please the Dot. Other than that, brake are unnecessary. Except for winter. Cyle lives in Berta. Berta has winter. Cyle has no brakes. See Cyle crash, see Cyle hurt somebody and see Cyle in court. Cyle insults other truckers who run stop signs. Cyle has no trailer brakes. Cyle makes bad decisions. Poor Cyle.

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