EVs could cause 11% spike in Canadian electricity demand

The posts I have seen not to good in the winter cold batteries can’t charge I think they are stupid

They can charge on 110 as well, 8hrs of charging in the winter don't expect to see much more than 1% charge on your batteries. Lots of delusional thinking when it comes to electrical power. Hopefully it works out that the tax payer is not on the hook for the delusions.

X-it said:

They can charge on 110 as well, 8hrs of charging in the winter don't expect to see much more than 1% charge on your batteries. Lots of delusional thinking when it comes to electrical power. Hopefully it works out that the tax payer is not on the hook for the delusions.

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Yes 120v 12amp is virtually useless in the winter (below -10 degrees). It's like trying to walk up an escalator going down. It's like trying to fill an olympic sized swimming pool one shot glass at a time.

Cdnfireman said:

Imagine a business already having thin margins of profitability being expected to pony up for the costs of a recharging station. Talk about a bunch of people with an inflated sense of entitlement! It’s like me saying to a business owner “ give me a gasoline voucher for Esso or I won’t do business here”. What a bunch of crap.

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Where do you get inflated sense of entitlement out of that? It's just another service some business owners will provide for their customers. Nobody is demanding anything.

ferniesnow said:

There was an EV plugged in just outside the office in one of the guest plug-ins. I asked the host if they had a hook up for credit cards so that the person could pay. The response was along this line..........."well no, the hotel pays for that!"

Yes, it is a bunch of crap!!!

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Just another service some hotels will provide for their customers. I'm guessing your upset at the fact that the hotel absorbs and redistributes the cost to all customers? (A touch of socialism) When the time comes that there are lots of EV's (and that's way, WAY into the future) I could see Hotels charging for those charging stations like some do now for powered parking spots.

moyiesledhead said:

They'll change their tune when they get a parking lot full of those things charging for free.

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Absolutely, that cost could be huge when EV's are mainstream. But that's way, WAY into the future, I can see it remaining a niche market untill manufacturers sort out the problems they are having (range, charge times, sub zero operation)

j335 said:

No question electric vehicles are the future, the data shows it’s not an overnight switch like some want to believe. It’ has been 15+ years for hybrids and they’’ve hardly caught on.

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It will be decades before EV's are mainstream no matter how much the tree huggers want you to think it's right around the corner, because it's not.

Cdnfireman said:

This entitled attitude of EV owners that their car purchase should be subsidized by taxpayers and their charging should be provided free by business owners is asinine.

Imagine being a business owner, watching someone drive up, plug in their $90k Tesla, walk around your store browsing for 45 minutes, then walk out, unplug their car and drive away, having bought nothing. That’s the problem with something that’s free. There’s gonna be unlimited demand

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Where do you see entitled attitudes of EV owners demanding subsidies and places to charge at businesses? Legitimately curious where your getting all this entitlement from.

As to the second part it's not much different then people browsing and not buying anything now, you still have a ton of overhead, this will just be one more cost. And when EV's are mainstream I would expect nothing less than a pay per charge setup, this free charging we are seeing now won't last once EV's are everywhere.

I believe this whole EV movement is a few separate issues, one issue is the vehicles themselves. Look at a Model A and compare it to a vehicle today, it took over 100 years to get where we are, it's going to take EV manufacturers years and years to sort out issues like range, charge times, cold weather operation and battery cost, remember EV's are in their infancy.

Another issue is they are resource intensive to manufacture, they take a **** ton of resources to build one and greenies either downplay that significance or try to ignore it all together.

Another issue is government subsidies. Personally I think purchase subsidies are BS, you want one you pay for it full fare like you would an ICE vehicle.

And the #1 issue, looks. Damn are EV's ever fugly! That Tesla truck looks like a doorstop. They REALLY need to step up their game in the looks department.

As for the grid not being able to handle the demand, how long into the future do you think it will be until every second house has an EV? I could see it taking decades and decades before we see that many, pretty sure the power companies are working on increasing supply, they have a LONG time to figure it out.

I for one can't wait to see what the future holds for EV's, honest question here and be honest with yourself when answering, if you could have an E-sled that had huge range, was light & not weighted down from batteries, faster then a current turbo sled, silent, vibration free, and the same price as an ICE sled, would you buy one? Or stick with a Dino powered machiene if cost was equal? I'm taking the E-sled hands down. Again E-machines are in their infancy, give it time for technology to get there and all the issues to get sorted out. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Instead of ****ting all over everything EV just relax, sit back and wait for the laundry list of issues to be sorted out, this whole movement is just getting started.

I absolutely LOVE the sound and rumble of a camed big block, I'm a petro-head to the core but I'm excited to see where EV's are headed, they are already some of the fastest cars on earth and ICE vehicles aren't going anywhere anytime soon. I can't see owning an electric vehicle, not anytime soon anyways but I can sure appreciate what's already being accomplished with E-cars. There's plenty of room for both EV's and ICE vehicles, no need to hate all over one or the other. This sure seems to be a divisive issue. You want an ICE vehicle, buy one. Want an EV? Have at er, but why hate on one or the other?

How cool would it be having something like this?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5rANa5ETkyQ

You would be pretty hard pressed to find a better sound then an old carbed Ferrari singing at 7000 RPM's. But how cool would it be to go just as fast (and faster) silently? I love both options for very different reasons.

Having this thought that stock investment in energy cos likely a decent bet, as the “agenda” pushes EVs.

Has anyone in this thread driven a fully electric car (not hybrid) ? Just curious.

luvz da mud said:

Where do you get inflated sense of entitlement out of that? It's just another service some business owners will provide for their customers. Nobody is demanding anything.



Just another service some hotels will provide for their customers. I'm guessing your upset at the fact that the hotel absorbs and redistributes the cost to all customers? (A touch of socialism) When the time comes that there are lots of EV's (and that's way, WAY into the future) I could see Hotels charging for those charging stations like some do now for powered parking spots.



Absolutely, that cost could be huge when EV's are mainstream. But that's way, WAY into the future, I can see it remaining a niche market untill manufacturers sort out the problems they are having (range, charge times, sub zero operation)



It will be decades before EV's are mainstream no matter how much the tree huggers want you to think it's right around the corner, because it's not.



Where do you see entitled attitudes of EV owners demanding subsidies and places to charge at businesses? Legitimately curious where your getting all this entitlement from.

As to the second part it's not much different then people browsing and not buying anything now, you still have a ton of overhead, this will just be one more cost. And when EV's are mainstream I would expect nothing less than a pay per charge setup, this free charging we are seeing now won't last once EV's are everywhere.

I believe this whole EV movement is a few separate issues, one issue is the vehicles themselves. Look at a Model A and compare it to a vehicle today, it took over 100 years to get where we are, it's going to take EV manufacturers years and years to sort out issues like range, charge times, cold weather operation and battery cost, remember EV's are in their infancy.

Another issue is they are resource intensive to manufacture, they take a **** ton of resources to build one and greenies either downplay that significance or try to ignore it all together.

Another issue is government subsidies. Personally I think purchase subsidies are BS, you want one you pay for it full fare like you would an ICE vehicle.

And the #1 issue, looks. Damn are EV's ever fugly! That Tesla truck looks like a doorstop. They REALLY need to step up their game in the looks department.

As for the grid not being able to handle the demand, how long into the future do you think it will be until every second house has an EV? I could see it taking decades and decades before we see that many, pretty sure the power companies are working on increasing supply, they have a LONG time to figure it out.

I for one can't wait to see what the future holds for EV's, honest question here and be honest with yourself when answering, if you could have an E-sled that had huge range, was light & not weighted down from batteries, faster then a current turbo sled, silent, vibration free, and the same price as an ICE sled, would you buy one? Or stick with a Dino powered machiene if cost was equal? I'm taking the E-sled hands down. Again E-machines are in their infancy, give it time for technology to get there and all the issues to get sorted out. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Instead of ****ting all over everything EV just relax, sit back and wait for the laundry list of issues to be sorted out, this whole movement is just getting started.

I absolutely LOVE the sound and rumble of a camed big block, I'm a petro-head to the core but I'm excited to see where EV's are headed, they are already some of the fastest cars on earth and ICE vehicles aren't going anywhere anytime soon. I can't see owning an electric vehicle, not anytime soon anyways but I can sure appreciate what's already being accomplished with E-cars. There's plenty of room for both EV's and ICE vehicles, no need to hate all over one or the other. This sure seems to be a divisive issue. You want an ICE vehicle, buy one. Want an EV? Have at er, but why hate on one or the other?

How cool would it be having something like this?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5rANa5ETkyQ

You would be pretty hard pressed to find a better sound then an old carbed Ferrari singing at 7000 RPM's. But how cool would it be to go just as fast (and faster) silently? I love both options for very different reasons.

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I would argue that current EV's are as far advanced as they're gonna get until the power source problem is solved. There's already electric cars that can outperform the best supercars, trains and haul trucks demonstrate that moving heavy loads is possible. Advocates such as yourself always preface your arguments with "if, when, etc". Everybody will want an electric vehicle/atv/sled/helicopter/submarine IF it is affordable and IF it can perform as good of better than a fossil fuelled machine.
Until a lightweight, portable, reliable and affordable source of electricity is developed, the technology is stalled where it's at. When all is said and done, the laws of physics can't be altered.....the energy required to do the work has to come from somewhere, and batteries don't cut it.

Cdnfireman said:

I would argue that current EV's are as far advanced as they're gonna get until the power source problem is solved. There's already electric cars that can outperform the best supercars, trains and haul trucks demonstrate that moving heavy loads is possible. Advocates such as yourself always preface your arguments with "if, when, etc". Everybody will want an electric vehicle/atv/sled/helicopter/submarine IF it is affordable and IF it can perform as good of better than a fossil fuelled machine.
Until a lightweight, portable, reliable and affordable source of electricity is developed, the technology is stalled where it's at. When all is said and done, the laws of physics can't be altered.....the energy required to do the work has to come from somewhere, and batteries don't cut it.

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Ok, but I drove 40,000km this past year with a battery that "doesn't cut it".

jhurkot said:

Ok, but I drove 40,000km this past year with a battery that "doesn't cut it".

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How dare you post facts!

I have driven a Tesla, it is kind of land lock in PG though.

jhurkot said:

Ok, but I drove 40,000km this past year with a battery that "doesn't cut it".

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Yes it works for "your application". And works for a lot of others, but I agree with fireman that batteries are not going to cut it for everyone and in every application like fossil fuels can today. Case in point, a lot of the huge open pit mining shovels are electric because they have access to huge power and a huge electric extension cord. Works in that application only. Until there is a "fit all solution" fossil fuels will remain, or shut the place down.

dgiles said:

Yes it works for "your application". And works for a lot of others, but I agree with fireman that batteries are not going to cut it for everyone and in every application like fossil fuels can today. Case in point, a lot of the huge open pit mining shovels are electric because they have access to huge power and a huge electric extension cord. Works in that application only. Until there is a "fit all solution" fossil fuels will remain, or shut the place down.

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I wired a shovel at greenhills about 8 years ago. It was pretty interesting. It's basically like a small house on tracks. Something like this...



The question is what reason would they have for making this machine electric when it very easily could be powered by diesel? Wouldn't it be way more convenient to dump 1500L of diesel in it every day instead of building power lines everywhere and dragging cords around? A haul truck right now that runs on diesel is basically an electric truck with a built in generator. What if you just replaced the diesel engine with a giant battery?

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/08/26/edumper-electric-mining-truck-self-charging/

I don't really like the term "self charging" because it's misleading but in this particular scenario that is unique to mining it does actually happen. Obviously fossil fuels are not going anywhere in the short term but it doesn't have to be an all or nothing mindset when it comes to EV. Like "Well you can't power every single thing in the world electrically by tomorrow so the technology is dead in the water!". Todays EV started out in laptops, made their way to cordless power tools, golf carts, tiny commuter cars, sports car (tesla roadster v1), family sedan (model S), compact sedan (model 3), and soon a truck. Is there anything you use today that is powered by electricity that you wish was powered by ICE/fossil fuel?

The zero turn mower would be cool if electric, not an everyday use so it has ample time to charge up between uses, The problems I see are how much use could you get from a single charge - I need 3 hours of continuous use to do my lawn AND not sure about winter storage, would the lack of use over a 6 month period adversely effect the batteries?

Bogger said:

The zero turn mower would be cool if electric, not an everyday use so it has ample time to charge up between uses, The problems I see are how much use could you get from a single charge - I need 3 hours of continuous use to do my lawn AND not sure about winter storage, would the lack of use over a 6 month period adversely effect the batteries?

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I saw one of these at home depot a while ago. The biggest problem is it has to carry the weight of the operator and cut a wide swath. I think we'll see more of those roomba type lawnmowers that autonomously cut the lawn and return to their charge stations. I mow about 3 acres at our house (cutting around 60 trees takes the longest) and 4 acres at our farm yard. This is a job that I have no problem giving to our AI robot overlords.