My experience with the Tesla Model 3

Stompin Tom said:

how big of a solar grid do you need to charge an electric car?

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ABMax24 said:

Times are changing. As electric cars catch on apartments with chargers will be in high demand, and as such the building owners will be able to charge a premium for those apartments. At some point other buildings will be retro-fitted to have chargers put in to increase desirability to tenants.

The electrical grid is already in need of upgrades in many of areas of the continent anyway, it just makes sense at that point to increase capacity to supply electric transportation as well. Even Alberta is changing in this regard, Alberta now has 5 solar farms, and in the last 6 months 2 grid scale batteries have come online with at least 2 more planned for construction in the next year. The batteries and at least 3 of the solar farms were built without taxpayers dollars.

Norway is proving it's possible, in 2020 54% of new vehicles sold there were electric.

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ABMax24 said:

Times are changing. As electric cars catch on apartments with chargers will be in high demand, and as such the building owners will be able to charge a premium for those apartments. At some point other buildings will be retro-fitted to have chargers put in to increase desirability to tenants.

The electrical grid is already in need of upgrades in many of areas of the continent anyway, it just makes sense at that point to increase capacity to supply electric transportation as well. Even Alberta is changing in this regard, Alberta now has 5 solar farms, and in the last 6 months 2 grid scale batteries have come online with at least 2 more planned for construction in the next year. The batteries and at least 3 of the solar farms were built without taxpayers dollars.

Norway is proving it's possible, in 2020 54% of new vehicles sold there were electric.

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Brownstar said:

Norway also has a 1.2 trillion dollar (200,000$ per person in norway) Sovern wealth fund from the proceeds of thier oil industry.

Mean while in Canada...

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LennyR said:

Norway is just a little more than half the size of Alberta, hardly an apt comparison, plus they fully monetize their natural resources, unlike our idealist morons in Canada.

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ABMax24 said:

Sure, both those points are valid. Norway has cheap and abundant hydro electricity, extensive funding within the government coffers to help make the change, huge subsides for EV's, milder climate, shorter distances to travel, the list goes on.

The point I'm trying to make is life doesn't have to stop or be impaired by making the switch to EV's. Canada's adoption will be slower, particularly outside of metro areas, but by 2030 the carbon tax increase is going to make anyone looking at a new vehicle weigh the economics of EV's. I think we will be benefitted by this delay, EV tech is still rapidly advancing, especially the battery tech, hopefully by time EV's become more common place in Canada the technology will be more mature and provide much more competitive products to conventional vehicles.

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Brownstar said:

Definitely, buy what ever works for you. Crippling the oil industry instead of taking advantage of it is suicide for Canada though.

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ABMax24 said:

I agree, the oil and gas industry is the best way to fund whatever must come next. If the government has any logical sense what so ever natural gas will be around for a long time yet, especially if it used as the feedstock for hydrogen.

But I don't see significant further development in the oilsands, after the cancelling of the Teck mine I don't see another large project ever being proposed up there. The operating mines will continue to operate, and SAGD will continue to be developed on a small scale. Much of this will be driven by pipeline capacity, personally I don't ever see the new Transmountain line moving a drop of oil, Trudeau will cancel the project before completion or will prevent it from operating once complete, and Keystone XL will be cancelled sometime in the next month.

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jhurkot said:

It would be highly dependant on where you live, how much you drive, and the type of EV. In the summer I use 15 kWh/100km ($3) and in the winter 20-25kWh/100km ($4-5).

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LennyR said:

How much of those $’s are tax that goes back to road building and maintenance or sustaining our vehicle corridors ? Are there any taxpayer funded subsidies that are artificially keeping the cost of that product there ? How many jobs are created ? How realistic is it to believe our power delivery systems can be upgraded to keep the cost where it’s at to make this a viable choice ?
Not bashing , I think it’s pretty cool, but as in so many “greenie” initiatives , it’s sorta like destroying a whole bunch of Paul’s industries and lively hood to benefit a few Peters.

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jhurkot said:

It would be highly dependant on where you live, how much you drive, and the type of EV. In the summer I use 15 kWh/100km ($3) and in the winter 20-25kWh/100km ($4-5).

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52weekbreak said:

Thanks for tis bit of info. that works out to 3 cents per KM in summer and lets say 5 cents in the winter. For comparison, I have an Altima which is very comparable size-wise and driving at 100 K, I can get 6 liters per 100 K if everything is just right but I average 7.5 and at $1 per liter that works out to between 6 and 7 1/2 cent per K.

What is your normal range in the winter? Also your car is now a couple years old so I wonder how much they have been able to extend the range since yours was delivered. Cheers - K

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52weekbreak said:

Thanks for tis bit of info. that works out to 3 cents per KM in summer and lets say 5 cents in the winter. For comparison, I have an Altima which is very comparable size-wise and driving at 100 K, I can get 6 liters per 100 K if everything is just right but I average 7.5 and at $1 per liter that works out to between 6 and 7 1/2 cent per K.

What is your normal range in the winter? Also your car is now a couple years old so I wonder how much they have been able to extend the range since yours was delivered. Cheers - K

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jhurkot said:

Winter is a mixed bag. If it’s -30, headwind, going uphill you’re going to be at the worst of that range. In -10 and light or no wind it can be surprisingly good. My November 2018 build was 499km range new but now is around 475-480km range with degradation. New 2021 model 3 has a range of 570km and might even be a bit cheaper.

I’m at 80,000km and so far maintenance has been wiper blades, washer fluid, and tires. Might do the cabin air filter soon, just been lazy. Also might replace the 12V battery ($110) just as preventative maintenance. When they fail the vehicle is a brick.

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Cdnfireman said:

And as you’ve reported before, those ranges are without using the heater in winter or the A/C in summer, and despite the 499km range you quote, you also report that you have to stop in red deer to recharge on the way to Edmonton. And the manufacturers state that the battery can’t be charged over 80% or discharged below 10% or the battery will be damaged.....so the 499 km stated is actually at best 70% of that as you can never fully charge or discharge the battery. And then unless you happen to find the Tesla super-duper charger empty and functional in red deer, you get to sit there for a couple of hours to charge up the car. Battery EV’s are still a niche automotive fad for the people that can afford them and want to feel good about themselves, but for most people they’re not viable. The technology is cool as hell, and DC tractive power will be the way of the future, but not until they find a better source of mobile electrical power than a battery made of expensive, poisonous and impossible to recycle rare earth materials.

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jhurkot said:

Yeah I stop for 7 minutes in red deer. Plug in, piss, and leave. The trip is about 542km and I like to drive highway 2 at 120-130km with a/c.

Oops maybe 10minutes. Is a ten minute stop on a five hour drive really a deal breaker?

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Cdnfireman said:

That’s your story this time.....you’ve said much different before....it changes to fit your narrative

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jhurkot said:

Are you done making up imaginary reasons why I can’t enjoy the electric car I purchased with my own money?

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