Land ownership along a border.

52weekbreak · Dec 9, 2018

A novel idea FS. the governments could use some lateral thinkers. If I am correct (in this case I hope not) but it looks like the 10 feet from the border is more of an easement and ownership of the property would still belong to the registered owner.

ferniesnow said:
Thanks Stg2Suby. Here is where I was going with this strange idea.

Quebec has flatly stated that they would not let a pipeline pass through their province. I don't know where Energy East was going to go but it always rattles my hocks when a government gets their dander up, digs in their heels, and makes it difficult for other provinces or the country. Just like Hogan did with the Trans Mountain pipeline.

So, if one looks at the map along the St. Lawrence, it appears to me that the pipeline need not go through Quebec to reach New Brunswick. The pipeline could swing south of Ottawa, cross the St.Lawrence, and then follow the International Border to New Brunswick. A lot of what-ifs but it was a thought. Sure the Federal government would have to approve it, the International Boundary Commission, probably a few First Nations, and so on but sometimes one has to think outside the box. Maybe it has been thought about and it can't be done but who knows for sure.

I once had a cabin to build that was on Federal Crown Land and was in a First Nation controlled area. I wasn't given a hope in hell of getting permission to be able to get a permit to go ahead with the build. There is a nice little Emergency Shelter in the Rolling Hills called the Rolling Hills cabin, as well as, a new Wrangler's Cabin sitting on Federal Crown Land all because of asking and putting a plan forward.

ferniesnow · Dec 9, 2018

Rbrduk said:
Was surveying for the commission, resurveying the border. The line is always being surveyed. Usually on a four year schedule for the area they are in. First two years are for assessment and clearing. Third year is replacement of any broken or missing monument (like the ones pictured above). Third and fourth year is actual survey of the line and replacing smaller monuments (brass caps)that are destroyed.

The slash is cut out to be a 20m sky line. And in southern Quebec, it follows the height of land. It is very rocky and mountainous terrain. Think of it as a more rocky foothills.

Would they be able to use some sort of tunnelling technique in some of the more rocky places?

Rbrduk · Dec 9, 2018

ferniesnow said:
Would they be able to use some sort of tunnelling technique in some of the more rocky places?

I’m sure they have procedures to install pipelines in rock. TransCanada has two in the ground that bordered dad’s property. In the Canadian Shield.

imdoo'n · Dec 9, 2018

so DD is planning to tunnel from Canada side to USA side. you are a bit late DD weed is legal in Canada you don't need to bring it in anymore! ha

52weekbreak · Dec 9, 2018

Pipeline is always open cut from above except when crossing some rivers, other pipes or something that would be damaged or destroyed by an open cut (buildings, active roads and the like). I can't remember for sure but seems to me there is a requirement for 42 inches of back fill over the completed pips. I was told by someone whp ran fiber optics across northern Ontario and he said the "rock was a hard as the hubs of hell.". Mostly granite like materiel I guess.

ferniesnow said:
Would they be able to use some sort of tunnelling technique in some of the more rocky places?

Rbrduk · Dec 9, 2018

Yes a lot of granite in the shield.

moyiesledhead · Dec 9, 2018

Here's another random thought. How much of the year is Hudson Bay ice free? Could probably get Sask and Manitoba on board.

52weekbreak · Dec 10, 2018

moyiesledhead said:
Here's another random thought. How much of the year is Hudsons Bay ice free? Could probably get Sask and Manitoba on board.

As with most ideas (except possibly FS's novel idea of installing pipe withing 10 feet of the border) someone has suggested it. Apparently nobody heard because in 2013, everyone was certain these pipes would be in the ground and operating by now. Given the US is effectively self sufficient in oil and gas, it seems ridiculous to rely on them as a market.

https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/oil-via-hudson-bay

https://newatlas.com/largest-contin...tm_source=Campaign Monitor&utm_term=Read more

moyiesledhead · Dec 10, 2018

52weekbreak said:
As with most ideas (except possibly FS's novel idea of installing pipe withing 10 feet of the border) someone has suggested it. Apparently nobody heard because in 2013, everyone was certain these pipes would be in the ground and operating by now. Given the US is effectively self sufficient in oil and gas, it seems ridiculous to rely on them as a market.

https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/oil-via-hudson-bay

https://newatlas.com/largest-contin...tm_source=Campaign Monitor&utm_term=Read more

Well there ya go. Might be time to look at it again the way pipelines are going.

NoBrakes! · Dec 10, 2018

A friend told me in Mexico the shore is considered a border as well, making it hard for Gringo to own beach front property. Something about you paying a MEX bank to hold your title in trust.

BEL · Dec 10, 2018

Within the 10 Provinces the Federal Government actually owns very little land - not sure who holds title in the 3 Territories. Title to Crown Land is held by the applicable Province. As for right-of-ways, etc., those grant a right of access to the registered holder of the Agreement. Think of a utility right-of-way or an easement on the title to your house. You own the property but the utility company has the right of surface access to come on to your property, expose the utility line, fix the problem and then cover it up again. You are not allowed to build a permanent structure over a utility right-of-way and therefore they do not have to rebuild anything they remove in order to access the line.

moyiesledhead · Dec 10, 2018

Actually....crown land is still owned by the Queen of England, administered provincially or federally as applicable. One of the scarier things I learned in 20 years of land use battles.

"Though the monarch owns all Crown Land in the country, it is divided in parallel with the "division" of the Crown among the federal and provincial jurisdictions, so that some lands within the provinces are administered by the relevant provincial Crown, whereas others are under the federal Crown."

52weekbreak · Dec 11, 2018

NoBrakes! said:
A friend told me in Mexico the shore is considered a border as well, making it hard for Gringo to own beach front property. Something about you paying a MEX bank to hold your title in trust.

Not quite like that. At some point the Mexicans realized that if they didn't put in some ownership rules requiring Mexican involvement, their entire coastline would be owned by foreigners who would buy up the land and develop it. The rules were relaxed a bit later on and allowed foreign ownership provided it was through a trust for those who really wanted it.

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