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Possibly. So far from what I have seen, Fox is the balance to CNN (or CBC in Canada). One mostly for and one unquestionably against. Back to the media as entertainment rather than news, apparently Fox's ratings have dropped as of late as those who were on edge about the government shut down were looking for reliable reports on the situation. The suggestion being that Fox was not the best place. Hard to find a single place that gives consistent facts with a neutral interpretation of what those facts mean.

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Maybe Fox is showing themselves as the only news organization that goes both ways? Better than the crap CNN or the CBC spews.
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See Post 984. Never said that they should not have a security wall. Trump's approach is just the most abrasive way to this goal so he can expect push back. Keep in mind that he could not get his funding even with Republican majority in the house and the senate and that should, I think, signal that the wall is not seen as a political or practical priority by his own party. The vast open spaces are probably more effectively patrolled by drone.

I have never tried to immigrate to the US so certainly do not know their issues. Just drove my niece who married a US marine both of whom were strong Trump supporters initially. Their support has continually ebbed in the past year and has edged into negative territory.

Of course I don't support illegal immigration to any country. To suggest that is a fine example of one side, seemingly in this case the far right, accusing another who does not completely agree with every nuance of their personal view of conservatism, that they must be on the far left and believe the extreme opposite. I think this polarization and division is unnecessarily amplified under Trump.

What I can comment on is that immigrating to another country is not a simple process. My niece (a third generation Canadian citizen) married a US citizen who is a high ranking US marine six years ago. There is no obvious reason (criminal record or anything else) to suspect that this should be a long, challenging or expensive process. They now have two children (both US citizens obviously) and have spent $10,000 on necessary legal fees and filing costs and are almost to the end of the process...they hope. Based on this I suspect that a big part of the problem lies in the bar being set in a way that discourages many from bothering to go through the process. Maybe reviewing what is required to complete the process is probably a good place to start.

For what it is worth, the Canadian system is not really any more efficient recalling an American citizen's experience immigrating to Canada.

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Unless you watch Fox News it is damn near impossible to find anyone in the media that has a positive story about anything Trump has done. I agree with a lot of you that Trump can be an idiot but the guy has gotten some good results through his policies. He hasn't tried to fool the American public on what he is trying to accomplish. Lets take a small poll here from the closet Liberals following this site and this thread. One simple question..... Do you support illegal immigration and if you don't then how the hell would you solve the problem? Give us an argument for no wall.
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52weekbreak said:
See Post 984. Never said that they should not have a security wall. Trump's approach is just the most abrasive way to this goal so he can expect push back. Keep in mind that he could not get his funding even with Republican majority in the house and the senate and that should, I think, signal that the wall is not seen as a political or practical priority by his own party. The vast open spaces are probably more effectively patrolled by drone.

I have never tried to immigrate to the US so certainly do not know their issues. Just drove my niece who married a US marine both of whom were strong Trump supporters initially. Their support has continually ebbed in the past year and has edged into negative territory.

Of course I don't support illegal immigration to any country. To suggest that is a fine example of one side, seemingly in this case the far right, accusing another who does not completely agree with every nuance of their personal view of conservatism, that they must be on the far left and believe the extreme opposite. I think this polarization and division is unnecessarily amplified under Trump.

What I can comment on is that immigrating to another country is not a simple process. My niece (a third generation Canadian citizen) married a US citizen who is a high ranking US marine six years ago. There is no obvious reason (criminal record or anything else) to suspect that this should be a long, challenging or expensive process. They now have two children (both US citizens obviously) and have spent $10,000 on necessary legal fees and filing costs and are almost to the end of the process...they hope. Based on this I suspect that a big part of the problem lies in the bar being set in a way that discourages many from bothering to go through the process. Maybe reviewing what is required to complete the process is probably a good place to start.

For what it is worth, the Canadian system is not really any more efficient recalling an American citizen's experience immigrating to Canada.
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Thanks for your answer. No one that is against the wall has a solution it appears or wants to answer.
 
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I think there is one camp that seems to think that building a wall will solve everything about illegal immigrants and the other camp thinks that building a wall will solve nothing. I am in the middle of the two sides. A wall will help control walk across issues but that is about all. There are many other issues that also need to be addressed with immigration systems and there are always a huge list of items that need attention many of which are sitting due to the shut down.

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Thanks for your answer. No one that is against the wall has a solution it appears or wants to answer.
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Obama gave the world the impression they could waltz right into the USA creating this problem in the first place. Trudeau is creating a bigger problem here in canada he even went one step farther and sold out our sovereignty to the UN. No doubt the ones crossing over into the USA and heading straight for canada and the large benefit packages. Maybe Bush was right saying Canada is a third world country.
 
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I laughed at some of the coverage they were ragging on her becuase she was wearing a “$1000” name brand jacket... thought wtf you petty media she’s married to a billionaire no one expects her to shop at winners.
 
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Trump doctrine.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gen...nmZsofyLcVIFXBVcLDrD8wlYTnJUBh4ZcKtp87S0mUTZ8
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This is an area where I think Trump is making a mistake. By taking the fight to ISIS, it makes arranging a 911 style attack more difficult. Abandoning Syria seems like a repeat of how Al Qaeda was formed into a "death to America" squad when the US support to them ended abruptly at the end of the Afghanistan war and ISIS was formed after Al Qaeda was largely under control to operate as America withdrew from Iraq the first time. No question the middle east is one messed up place but investing some time and effort to keep the problem in that area only serves to make the USA safer IMO. This was, I think, Mattis' recommendation as well.
 
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This is an area where I think Trump is making a mistake. By taking the fight to ISIS, it makes arranging a 911 style attack more difficult. Abandoning Syria seems like a repeat of how Al Qaeda was formed into a "death to America" squad when the US support to them ended abruptly at the end of the Afghanistan war and ISIS was formed after Al Qaeda was largely under control to operate as America withdrew from Iraq the first time. No question the middle east is one messed up place but investing some time and effort to keep the problem in that area only serves to make the USA safer IMO. This was, I think, Mattis' recommendation as well.
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I think there's a hell of a lot more going on then what's being focused on at face value. If Trump can delegate the task and the expense, and still make sure it's under control, he's going to do it, in my estimation.

Graham later tweeted: "I learned a lot from President @realDonaldTrump about our efforts in Syria that was reassuring. The President will make sure any withdrawal from Syria will be done in a fashion to ensure: 1) ISIS is permanently destroyed. 2) Iran doesn’t fill in the back end, and 3) our Kurdish allies are protected.
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/graham-says-i-feel-pretty-good-about-syria-after-lunch-with-trump

And also what's being reported is a growing threat from hypersonic missiles from Russia, that we have no ability to intercept, and threats from China on different levels, and that these issues need to be prepared for....big time.... and more funding needs to be funneled at them and away from the Middle East. Hopefully the inbred, goat fawking, satan worshipping, cave dwellers will be contained. Recall that any and all military actions taken under the Obama regime had to approved by his bunch of liberal deep thinkers first, while Trump has given them the okay to do whatever the hell was needed in their own estimation. Much more efficient.
 
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Hope you are right. I look around and wonder where the resurgence of Russia, the expected dominance of China on top of the usual mess in the middle east will all take us in the upcoming years. Well, 10:00 AM and maybe its time to switch from Bailey's in my coffee to something a little stronger :)

Happy New Year everyone.
 
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Hope you are right. I look around and wonder where the resurgence of Russia, the expected dominance of China on top of the usual mess in the middle east will all take us in the upcoming years. Well, 10:00 AM and maybe its time to switch from Bailey's in my coffee to something a little stronger :)

Happy New Year everyone.[/Q

I agree with you but I think it might be a little early to move to something a little stronger.
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pipes said:
52weekbreak said:
Hope you are right. I look around and wonder where the resurgence of Russia, the expected dominance of China on top of the usual mess in the middle east will all take us in the upcoming years. Well, 10:00 AM and maybe its time to switch from Bailey's in my coffee to something a little stronger :)

Happy New Year everyone.[/Q

I agree with you but I think it might be a little early to move to something a little stronger.
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I LOVE YA MAN (too late on the hard stuff....)
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52weekbreak said:
This is an area where I think Trump is making a mistake. By taking the fight to ISIS, it makes arranging a 911 style attack more difficult. Abandoning Syria seems like a repeat of how Al Qaeda was formed into a "death to America" squad when the US support to them ended abruptly at the end of the Afghanistan war and ISIS was formed after Al Qaeda was largely under control to operate as America withdrew from Iraq the first time. No question the middle east is one messed up place but investing some time and effort to keep the problem in that area only serves to make the USA safer IMO. This was, I think, Mattis' recommendation as well.
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What kind of support do you think we are providing them? I can tell you, we are not helping them fight ISIS, we are training them to fight ISIS in a more efficient and effective manner. People seem to forget that we still have a lot of airpower, which includes drones, so we don't need any ground troops in that region to fight ISIS. As much as I love Mattis' tough approach on the ME, I also think he's served his purpose and a new approach is needed if we are going to stay involved in the ME.
 
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