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By Danielle Smith
All right, British Columbians. I have had it up to my eyeballs with your wilful blindness to environmental issues in your own province.
So, as of now, I am a charter member of the Facebook Page Save BC’s Environment — the purpose of which is to highlight the many real and pressing environmental issues that your political leaders refuse to take action on.
Let’s start with Thursday’s investigative report from Star Metro, which found that British Columbia is the nation’s worst offender when it comes to allowing untreated sewage into enter Canadian rivers and oceans.
Of the 120 million cubic metres per year in Canada as a whole, British Columbia is responsible for nearly one-third of the problem. That’s right. That’s 45 billion litres of sewage filled with toxins, heavy metals, micro-plastics, pharmaceuticals, bacteria and pathogens being dumped into clean water. That’s about 1,900 tankers worth.
It doesn’t include the deliberate dumping of raw sewage by places such as Victoria. This is because of co-mingled storm sewer and sewer systems getting overwhelmed because of too much rain and runoff.
In Calgary, the equivalent measure is zero. That’s because Calgary made the decision to separate its two systems back in the 1960s.
This is something British Columbia doesn’t intend to complete until 2050. And what are the consequences of failing to treat raw sewage?

  • Mussels get contaminated with pharmaceuticals.
  • Residents get sick from eating contaminated oysters.
  • Cholera starts turning up in coastal communities.
But untreated sewage may be the least of B.C.’s environmental problems.
B.C. has created an international incident with its embarrassing handling of mine management and cleanup. Alaskans have asked their government to deal with the Tulsequah Chief Mine in northwest B.C., which is leaking acid waste into one of the richest salmon runs in the region — and has been for 60 years.
Or how about the ongoing problems from the Mount Polley mining disaster? That’s where the mine’s tailings dam broke and spewed 24 million cubic metres of mining waste into adjacent lakes and rivers.
And who will clean up the toxic mess left behind in B.C.’s 1,800 abandoned mines?
What about current polluters?The top 10 polluters in B.C. are spewing out nitrogen oxides, sulphur dioxide, volatile organic compounds and particulate matter; all of which can impact human health and aggravate respiratory conditions.
The Prince George Pulp and Paper and Intercontinental Pulp Mills are the biggest polluters of water with sulfur and manganese. Teck Metals Ltd. emits lead, selenium and arsenic.
That’s not all. How many of those regions with 1,000-year-old trees targeted for clear cutting will ever be effectively reclaimed?
British Columbians: should ask all those foreign-paid environmental activists why they are spending all their time focusing on the minuscule risk of a tanker spill when they have all these other issues they could be rallying support to address.
Perhaps it’s because the opposition to Kinder Morgan’s Trans Mountain pipeline expansion isn’t really about protecting the environment at all.
Update: and for those who say that all this is irrelevant because the real issue is climate change and greenhouse gas emissions, well, you have your own problems there too.
B.C. is the single largest exporter of coal in North America. The volume of exported coal is so huge, it will ultimately produce an estimated 99.8 million tonnes of CO2.
That’s 150 per cent more than B.C.’s entire annual carbon footprint.
Danille Smith is a former Alberta politician and current talk show host in Calgary.



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Its nice to have an opinion, slanted and biased as it may be. BC never claimed to not have pollution problems of their own. The only way to eliminate most of the items she has listed is to simply shut down industry. But isnt that the NDP way? Shut down industry, raise tax's for everyone else and drive the economy into the ground? What is the counterpoint? Make a list of all polluters in Alberta? Thats a waste of time because frankly her point of view is a waste of time.

So whats her point? Horgan the idiot is blocking Kinder Morgan because he thinks there is possible environmental impacts? So in her world because there are already environmental impacts in BC it should be no problem adding more?

Her comment is no different than a smoker saying why should I quit, my neighbor smokes as much as I do.

I in no way support Horgans stance, I think he is an idiot and a bully, but I also understand why he is taking his position, its not to protect the Province of BC from the big bad Alberta oil fields, it is to protect his job. Plain and simple. He has to be a bully and an idiot or he loses his job. I dont support him in any way, but I understand his motivation. Planting smear campaigns against province of BC does nothing to solve the problem, it only rallies the locals to fight back. Understand his motivation then find a way to work around it.
 

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And the goal posts between the right and left get further and further apart. Sad really. We need something big to rally around...a war maybe...before people will see the other point of view. There is so much practical ground between the left and right but the current stance seems that each side hates EVERYTHING the other side thinks or wants to do.

I like making a good living which requires industry of some sort. Even those working in the environmental tourism industry rely on energy. I like to drive to and from work and sometimes for pleasure and don't give a flying f*ck if it is an electric car or a diesel. Either one needs oil to be manufactured.

Coal is a necessary product for making steel. If some effort was redirected into developing better and more efficient ways to do these...and most other thing, we would all have flying cars.
 

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I am a proponent of this pipeline and disagree with Horgan and the NDP.

This article is stupid. Nothing more than a smear to garner some readership after her failed political career I suppose. What good does slinging this dirt do? If she really wanted to put together something of substance maybe she could research the funding of the opposition to this pipeline and draw it back to the Tides foundation and their support by select ultra wealthy Americans in an effort to keep Alberta oil contained and cheap. Some actual work put into investigative journalism (lol) might present some facts to convince fence sitters that have only heard the environmental rhetoric and lies. Painting all of BC with the same brush is just a desperate cry for attention and social media shares amongst those that already support her stance.
 

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Like Bnorth said and S.Tom this article is dumb even though there is lots of truth to it. I also strongly support the pipeline but we have to be honest here and pointing all the "negative" crap about BC is only going to start a verbal war about who's sand box is bigger blah blah blah. I am pretty confident AB and all provinces have the environmental skeletons in their closet to speak of.
 

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I'm watching my kids clean their quad after a weekend of zfg.

This pipeline is becoming old news much like anything else.
 

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Like Bnorth said and S.Tom this article is dumb even though there is lots of truth to it. I also strongly support the pipeline but we have to be honest here and pointing all the "negative" crap about BC is only going to start a verbal war about who's sand box is bigger blah blah blah. I am pretty confident AB and all provinces have the environmental skeletons in their closet to speak of.

Sure we do, we're just not being hypocritical aholes to our neighbors.
Maybe if there are so many people from BC in favor of the pipeline they could step up and counter protest the NDP idiots on their front steps in BC/Victoria.
Nobody had a problem stepping on a charter flight to Ft Mac from Kamloops, Kelowna and Vancouver to reap the fat paychecks every two week for years.
There should be some support right back at this time!!!!
No more charter flights....wonder why???
Between what BC and Trudope promotes, the jobs are not coming back.
Neither are alternate investors.
I'm sorry but this is YOUR image on the world stage, don't like it, get out and fix it.


I find any article that exposes the hypocrisy useful, it only stings because it is your image getting bashed, and rightfully so.
Just like Alberta image getting beat up because we are led by a spineless idiot.
Just turn the tap off for a month, everyone's pain would be over on both sides of the border.

But no let's just drag this out for maximum damage.
When clean/green power is ready to actually support our economic needs without support from oil and gas industry I will help shut the tap off permanently.
Until then some people better vote smarter and speak up.

Harsh? To bad.........so is the reality of unnecessarily suffering families.
 
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Nutley will never get anything done.

We need Wiebo Ludwig to shut that line down for a bit....




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Sure we do, we're just not being hypocritical aholes to our neighbors.
Maybe if there are so many people from BC in favor of the pipeline they could step up and counter protest the NDP idiots on their front steps in BC/Victoria.
Nobody had a problem stepping on a charter flight to Ft Mac from Kamloops, Kelowna and Vancouver to reap the fat paychecks every two week for years.
There should be some support right back at this time!!!!
No more charter flights....wonder why???
Between what BC and Trudope promotes, the jobs are not coming back.
Neither are alternate investors.
I'm sorry but this is YOUR image on the world stage, don't like it, get out and fix it.


I find any article that exposes the hypocrisy useful, it only stings because it is your image getting bashed, and rightfully so.
Just like Alberta image getting beat up because we are led by a spineless idiot.
Just turn the tap off for a month, everyone's pain would be over on both sides of the border.

But no let's just drag this out for maximum damage.
When clean/green power is ready to actually support our economic needs without support from oil and gas industry I will help shut the tap off permanently.
Until then some people better vote smarter and speak up.

Harsh? To bad.........so is the reality of unnecessarily suffering families.

Your exactly what she caters to. Cant see the forest for the trees.
 

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By Danielle Smith
All right, British Columbians. I have had it up to my eyeballs with your wilful blindness to environmental issues in your own province.

That’s not all. How many of those regions with 1,000-year-old trees targeted for clear cutting will ever be effectively reclaimed?



Guilty as charge, I crap in the bush just like a bear but I was really hoping the subject of logging didn’t come up. Gessshhhh, really.that just ended any hope of a good rant for me.




 

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Your exactly what she caters to. Cant see the forest for the trees.

And you're better ? Hers is an opinion , some will agree some won't . Maybe she's like you , has an ego that wouldn't allow her to imagine that someone else's opinion could be right !
 

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And you're better ? Hers is an opinion , some will agree some won't . Maybe she's like you , has an ego that wouldn't allow her to imagine that someone else's opinion could be right !

you obviously have no idea what "see the forest for the tree's means".
 

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And you're better ? Hers is an opinion , some will agree some won't . Maybe she's like you , has an ego that wouldn't allow her to imagine that someone else's opinion could be right !

as for an opinion being right, that is also only an opinion which does not make it right or wrong.

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2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
 

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Your exactly what she caters to. Cant see the forest for the trees.

WTF????
Somebody that can't deal with the reality of the how f'd up there province's environmental issues are just exposed themselves.
Don't worry there is therapy to help you see outside your tiny little bubble.
Alberta had no issues sharing the wealth of jobs with all of Canada. Tens of thousands of workers flown in from every part of Canada to benifit from oilsand jobs. Huge cheques flown out.
Equipment manufactured across Canada brought in by truck and rail. Only assembly was in Leduc but supplies cane fom across North America.
Everyone benifited!
But when help is needed to right what is so blatantly wrong not a finger is lifted to return the favor.
Never once a complaint to no openly welcome all.

No, no my sight is just fine and I see exceptionally well.
Our province and this country will suffer for the inaction....the cascading affect that is on the way for this stupidity will be cruel to our children.
They will likely never see the prosperity and have the ability to access the social services we have had.
The debt being created and crippling a main source of repayment.
No, no I see the forest clearly.
And I see its demise on a close horizon.
 
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you obviously have no idea what "see the forest for the tree's means".

My opinion, you should stick to defending truckers, a percentage of them are worthy of your efforts. Your provinces inaction in stepping up to assist a neighbouring province , one who your province has shared so much good fortune and prosperity with back and forth over the years, and your hypocrisy relating to the environmental issues in your own back yard , while at the same time using the fear of environmental issues as the reason for your stand against Alberta moving the oil to the coast is indefensible. Train cars full of crude all over BC, the coastal waters full of containers bringing imported oil , trucks hauling crude and petroleum products over every inch of the province, that's all acceptable risk ! Raw sewage in lakes and rivers and up and down the coast, that's acceptable , that you can live with ! A surface pipeline running through highly populated areas bringing oil and gas through highly populated areas of Vancouver area, that's ok , no risk there ! But "another" pipeline from Alberta across BC to allow Alberta to access a highly needed market for a product whose production benefitted many many BC residents for a lot of years by providing jobs to so many from BC and across Canada. And many of those who benefitted from that employment chose to spend a portion of that income in BC, by buying vacation properties, winter and summer holidays, shopping etc. my vision is just fine .
 

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My opinion, you should stick to defending truckers, a percentage of them are worthy of your efforts. Your provinces inaction in stepping up to assist a neighbouring province , one who your province has shared so much good fortune and prosperity with back and forth over the years, and your hypocrisy relating to the environmental issues in your own back yard , while at the same time using the fear of environmental issues as the reason for your stand against Alberta moving the oil to the coast is indefensible. Train cars full of crude all over BC, the coastal waters full of containers bringing imported oil , trucks hauling crude and petroleum products over every inch of the province, that's all acceptable risk ! Raw sewage in lakes and rivers and up and down the coast, that's acceptable , that you can live with ! A surface pipeline running through highly populated areas bringing oil and gas through highly populated areas of Vancouver area, that's ok , no risk there ! But "another" pipeline from Alberta across BC to allow Alberta to access a highly needed market for a product whose production benefitted many many BC residents for a lot of years by providing jobs to so many from BC and across Canada. And many of those who benefitted from that employment chose to spend a portion of that income in BC, by buying vacation properties, winter and summer holidays, shopping etc. my vision is just fine .

Once again in this thread, you cant see the forest for the tree's.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/can-t-see-the-forest-for-the-trees

[h=1]can't see the forest for the trees[/h]

can't see the forest for the trees in Culture
[h=3]can't see the forest for the trees definition[/h]
An expression used of someone who is too involved in the details of a problem to look at the situation as a whole: “The congressman became so involved in the wording of his bill that he couldn't see the forest for the trees; he did not realize that the bill could never pass.”
 

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My opinion, you should stick to defending truckers, a percentage of them are worthy of your efforts. Your provinces inaction in stepping up to assist a neighbouring province , one who your province has shared so much good fortune and prosperity with back and forth over the years, and your hypocrisy relating to the environmental issues in your own back yard , while at the same time using the fear of environmental issues as the reason for your stand against Alberta moving the oil to the coast is indefensible. Train cars full of crude all over BC, the coastal waters full of containers bringing imported oil , trucks hauling crude and petroleum products over every inch of the province, that's all acceptable risk ! Raw sewage in lakes and rivers and up and down the coast, that's acceptable , that you can live with ! A surface pipeline running through highly populated areas bringing oil and gas through highly populated areas of Vancouver area, that's ok , no risk there ! But "another" pipeline from Alberta across BC to allow Alberta to access a highly needed market for a product whose production benefitted many many BC residents for a lot of years by providing jobs to so many from BC and across Canada. And many of those who benefitted from that employment chose to spend a portion of that income in BC, by buying vacation properties, winter and summer holidays, shopping etc. my vision is just fine .

A great example of not seeing the forest for the trees is your assumption that I am defending Horgan or that I am against Kinder Morgan. Either your schooling system in Alberta has failed you when it comes to reading comprehension or you simple ignore the facts of my earlier posts. Take some time, go back and read, I have not defended anything of the sort which you claim, I only point out how hypocritical of an argument she brings forth to support her views.
 

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WTF????
Somebody that can't deal with the reality of the how f'd up there province's environmental issues are just exposed themselves.
Don't worry there is therapy to help you see outside your tiny little bubble.
Alberta had no issues sharing the wealth of jobs with all of Canada. Tens of thousands of workers flown in from every part of Canada to benifit from oilsand jobs. Huge cheques flown out.
Equipment manufactured across Canada brought in by truck and rail. Only assembly was in Leduc but supplies cane fom across North America.
Everyone benifited!
But when help is needed to right what is so blatantly wrong not a finger is lifted to return the favor.
Never once a complaint to no openly welcome all.

No, no my sight is just fine and I see exceptionally well.
Our province and this country will suffer for the inaction....the cascading affect that is on the way for this stupidity will be cruel to our children.
They will likely never see the prosperity and have the ability to access the social services we have had.
The debt being created and crippling a main source of repayment.
No, no I see the forest clearly.
And I see its demise on a close horizon.

reading comprehension my friend, reading comprehension. Please show me where I have defended any of the things you claim I have? Dont put words in my mouth when you are the one who cant see the forest for the trees.
 
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