Kinder Morgan

Caper11 · May 24, 2018

imdoo'n said:
well looks like Hoagie will change his mind on Kinder Morgan if he gets to refine Alberta oil in his province instead of shipping overseas. two faced goof

https://globalnews.ca/news/4226567/...ent-discussion-if-product-was-refined-in-b-c/

Humm I agree, id rather see it upgraded here instead of BC tho.

j335 · May 24, 2018

But refining it will increase our C02 we emit...

There’s a reason private companies don’t invest into new Canadian refineries or upgraders, our government can’t do it more efficiently

52weekbreak · May 24, 2018

I think the same (or a similar amount) of Co2 is produced wherever it is refined. If you upgrade ad/or refine here you just keep the jobs local. It seems a weird argument to say that if BC could refine the oil they would be OK with the pipeline.

j335 said:
But refining it will increase our C02 we emit...

There’s a reason private companies don’t invest into new Canadian refineries or upgraders, our government can’t do it more efficiently

Ronaha · May 24, 2018

I think also our extreme hot and cold weather plays a part in refineries extra cost, rather then just hot like in Texas.

eclipse1966 · May 24, 2018

since its forest fire season already with two uncontrolled fires I think the pipe line protesters should be rounded up and put to good use and work. After all, they are concerned about the environment

Ronaha · May 24, 2018

The Jannvier Fire is surrounded by 155 unemployed firstclass nations

ferniesnow · May 24, 2018

All this talk about another upgrader/refinery is blowing smoke in the wind. The present North American refineries are under utilized so who in their right mind is going to invest in another one?

imdoo'n · May 24, 2018

https://youtu.be/IvMqPHrL0lM

come back Brian, you had my vote when we talked in edmonton, we need you now!!!!!!

sirkdev · May 24, 2018

ferniesnow said:
All this talk about another upgrader/refinery is blowing smoke in the wind. The present North American refineries are under utilized so who in their right mind is going to invest in another one?[/QUOT

While I agree with your statement on underutilization of current refinery’s the problem is getting the refined product to the end user. Ideally a crude oil stream is piped to a market that will demand the products locally. 2 billion litres of diesel in Regina doesn’t help Larry in Victoria. It becomes a balance of supply and demand along with the economics of building a refinery so products can be consumed. Lots of pieces to the puzzle, also as stated earlier the burden of all this carbon reporting... it a product was refined in Alberta but exported how does that work?

ferniesnow · May 24, 2018

sirkdev said:
ferniesnow said:

All this talk about another upgrader/refinery is blowing smoke in the wind. The present North American refineries are under utilized so who in their right mind is going to invest in another one?[/QUOT

... if a product was refined in Alberta but exported how does that work?

Click to expand...

Well there has to be a gazillion tankers coming into the Elk Valley weekly with refined product from Alberta. With 4 mines operating full bore and a 5th in the process of extracting the last aid-bits, there is a humongous fuel requirement. I assume it is trucked from Calgary but in reality I don't really know where it is loaded into the tankers. I do know that the fuel is exported from Alberta.

The mines (Teck Resources) would like to ship more coal to Asia as would the farmers like to ship more grain. There isn't enough room on the rails to accommodate what requires shipping now but there is always someone (who calls themselves an expert or a CEO of something) who thinks they can ship product by rail safer and cheaper than by pipeline. The smarter person knows that pipelines are the cheapest and safest method of transporting product and the present pipelines are full. Once political wizards get involved in private industry, all hell breaks out we as citizens and consumers just end up paying more and getting more frustrated.

I predict that in 8 days, we will be able to read the announcement that Kinder Morgan will walk away from the Trans Mountain pipeline due to the political bull **** that is going on.

ferniesnow · May 24, 2018

Kinder Morgan pleased with this court ruling handed down today......

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...inst-kinder-morgan-to-court-1.4676619?cmp=rss

Caper11 · May 24, 2018

ferniesnow said:
All this talk about another upgrader/refinery is blowing smoke in the wind. The present North American refineries are under utilized so who in their right mind is going to invest in another one?

This comment makes no sense to me, Yah need a pipeline to get the product to the refineries that can handle heavy crude. We have very little refineries in alberta that can handle it.
No new pipeline, no new upgraders, no new capital projects, who in there right mind would invest in Alberta, or BC for that matter?

BC isnt really in a position to be saying they want to refine it, they closed there mills, so they could ship logs away to foreign mills.

skegpro · May 24, 2018

Caper11 said:
This comment makes no sense to me, Yah need a pipeline to get the product to the refineries that can handle heavy crude. We have very little refineries in alberta that can handle it.
No new pipeline, no new upgraders, no new capital projects, who in there right mind would invest in Alberta, or BC for that matter?

BC isnt really in a position to be saying they want to refine it, they closed there mills, so they could ship logs away to foreign mills.

Also the moron doesn't know the difference between bitumen and dilbit.

Can't push bitumen down a pipeline.

Therefore in theory it is upgraded.........

Stompin Tom · May 24, 2018

Caper11 said:
BC isnt really in a position to be saying they want to refine it, they closed there mills, so they could ship logs away to foreign mills.

Really? This is news to me and I am in the industry. Pretty much any raw log export either comes from native's or private timber farms. Right now the sawmills are operating at record profit levels in our region.

skegpro · May 24, 2018

Stompin Tom said:
Really? This is news to me and I am in the industry. Pretty much any raw log export either comes from native's or private timber farms. Right now the sawmills are operating at record profit levels in our region.

How much money could we get if we cut all the trees down?

Caper11 · May 24, 2018

Stompin Tom said:
Really? This is news to me and I am in the industry. Pretty much any raw log export either comes from native's or private timber farms. Right now the sawmills are operating at record profit levels in our region.

So.... mills have not shut down over the years, and no logs are being sent overseas???

Stompin Tom · May 24, 2018

Caper11 said:
So.... mills have not shut down over the years, and no logs are being sent overseas???

"they closed there mills, so they could ship logs away to foreign mills"

That is a VERY different question than your original statement.

Yes unprofitable mills have shut down, but log exports are not up. 2nd thing that has to be taken into consideration, not all logs are created equal, there are many species which are not suited for mills in BC but other countries use them. Selective logging allows those non desires species to be exported while desires species are consumed in this province. The two areas with the most log exports are Vancouver Island and the north coast area, Terrace, Rupert, Kitwanga.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/log-export-policy-for-british-columbia.pdf

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/industry/forestry/competitive-forest-industry/log-exports

If one spends all their time listening to green peacers propaganda they will have a much different view of what is actually happening. Because of the beetle kill epidemic now coming to an end there is actually a shortage of fiber for mills so the local demands have increased and logs are trucked much farther to support local mills.

Stompin Tom · May 24, 2018

skegpro said:
How much money could we get if we cut all the trees down?

Alot.

moyiesledhead · May 25, 2018

imdoo'n said:
well looks like Hoagie will change his mind on Kinder Morgan if he gets to refine Alberta oil in his province instead of shipping overseas. two faced goof

https://globalnews.ca/news/4226567/...ent-discussion-if-product-was-refined-in-b-c/

Call the hypocrit's bluff. I'm sure the producers would be just as happy to sell to a BC refinery as an overseas customer at the same price. What do they care who's buying it. At the rate projects get approval in BC it would take 100 years to get a refinery approved if ever.

imdoo'n · May 25, 2018

6 days to go, come on nutley! got no balls i guess. lol.

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